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Old 10-29-2010, 02:37 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 View Post
You can say that humans also belong to the old world in the same way as Dwarves do. Neither is really true, though. Yes, they did exist in the 1st Age, but they were like secondary creatures in ME. The Eldar were the "masters" of Beleriand.
I think you're making a bit of a mistake by apparently equating Beleriand with Middle-earth. Beleriand was only the northwestern tip of Middle-earth, and once you get east of it, this Elvish dominance drops off. True, the Nandor/Silvan Elves are present in considerable numbers in Eriador, Rhovanion, and down into what later becomes Gondor, and there were probably sizable numbers of Avari to the East... but the dominant civilised culture in Eriador and Rhovanion is that of the Dwarves. True, Khazad-dûm's power waxes in the first half of the Second Age, when it holds suzerainty over the Edain-esque men by the mountains, but the Dwarves already had Khazad-dûm itself, plus Gundabad and likely the Iron Hills (cf. "Of Dwarves and Men" in HoME vol. XII). Meanwhile, in the Blue Mountains--abutting right against Beleriand and oft involved with it you have the mighty cities of Nogrod and Belegost.

It is true that The Silmarillion is our primary narrative of the events of the First Age. It is true also that it is decidedly Elf-centred (or more accurately, Elda-centred, or even Noldo-centred). This does not mean, however, that the Elves were really the "majority" race of the First Age. They were the Firstborn, yes... but with the rising of the Sun and the dawn of the First Age (of the Sun, remember) all the races are awake, and the Dwarves have had almost as long as the Sindar to be making a civilisation for themselves... and I would say they've done a fine job at it.

As regards the Elves and Ents remeeting in Valinor--you are correct that Galadriel seems to hold this out as a possibility when she takes her leaves of Treebeard, but it's merely a hope, as I read it.
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