Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Inziladun]

Looking at TEW's votes, it's pretty clear to me where my vote toDay should go.

Day 1

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I'm gonna go with ++Volo.
I think Shasta found a freudian slip. I haven't read any farther than Nogrod's post after Shasta.

He hadn't dreamed of Volo then, obviously, so this was apparently just based on his feelings.

Day 2

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Lottie, you seem OK to me.

I'm voting
++Eomer

Eomer's behavior strikes me as cobblerish, or he could be a wolf or a wight. Or he could be innocent. I don't know, but I'd bet he's bad. I'm gonna flip flop some more and say that Volo seems OK to me after further consideration. I think he's just a little off his game.

I'm not sure if he dreamed of Eomer or not. TEW is very vague about what he thinks Eomer is here. This vote could be, like the one for Volo, merely based on his thoughts.
The fact that he singled out Lottie to tell her she "seemed OK", and Volo to say that he also "seems OK" at that point leads me to think it's possible he dreamed of Lottie Night 1, and Volo Night 2. Since TEW had suspected Volo enough to vote for him Day 1, it seems logical he would have dreamed Volo the next Night.

On the other hand....

Day 3

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

++Shasta

I think he tried to frame Nogrod as the BW. Shasta, I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night.

This statement sticks in my craw, That is not what Lottie had been advocating and I think you know it. One way or another, you're goin' down boy.

One last thing, I'm a he. This is the Elf-warrior, signing off. Death to lycanthropes!!

It doesn't get much clearer than this. He flat out accused Shasta of being a wolf. Coupled with Shasta's forced case against me, it makes even more sense.

So, my vote toDay requires no more thought.

++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

After looking at all (eight) of the Elf-Warrior's posts, I've come to the conclusion that he had a nasty habit of voting people before dreaming them.

Now, I have no idea who EW dreamt Night 1, but his Day 1 vote was for Volo, as shown here -

Originally Posted by EW

I'm gonna go with
++Volo.
I think Shasta found a freudian slip. I haven't read any farther than Nogrod's post after Shasta.

The "slip" I found was that Volo said something about 'killing quietly at night'. Not the most impressive reasons to vote someone out of the blue.

Moving on to Night 2. I'm fairly sure EW dreamt of Volo here and found him innocent - he dropped off Volo pretty handily (in true Legate style), as shown here -

Originally Posted by EW

Lottie, you seem OK to me.

I'm voting
++Eomer

Eomer's behavior strikes me as cobblerish, or he could be a wolf or a wight. Or he could be innocent. I don't know, but I'd bet he's bad. I'm gonna flip flop some more and say that Volo seems OK to me after further consideration. I think he's just a little off his game.

(bolding mine)
As an aside, could EW have dreamt of Lottie Night 1? My only gripe with that is, why would EW have waited a day to say so?

In any case, EW jumps rather quickly from Volo onto Eomer. However, the wishy-washyness of this statement argues against EW having already dreamt Eomer.

Which brings us to Night 3, and Day 3, in which EW posted once, as seen here -

Originally Posted by EW

++Shasta

I think he tried to frame Nogrod as the BW. Shasta, I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night.

This statement sticks in my craw,
That is not what Lottie had been advocating and I think you know it. One way or another, you're goin' down boy.

One last thing, I'm a he. This is the Elf-warrior, signing off. Death to lycanthropes!!

Notice how EW completely drops his suspicion of Eomer here (doesn't even mention him, in fact) and jumps onto me. I'm fairly certain he dreamt of Eomer and found him innocent. He probably would have jumped onto someone else tomorrow after dreaming me, but we lynched him.

TLDR; I think EW's dreams were:
N1 - Lottie? - innocent
N2 - Volo - innocent
N3 - Eomer - innocent

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Looking at TEW's votes, it's pretty clear to me where my vote toDay should go.

Day 1



He hadn't dreamed of Volo then, obviously, so this was apparently just based on his feelings.

Day 2



I'm not sure if he dreamed of Eomer or not. TEW is very vague about what he thinks Eomer is here. This vote could be, like the one for Volo, merely based on his thoughts.
The fact that he singled out Lottie to tell her she "seemed OK", and Volo to say that he also "seems OK" at that point leads me to think it's possible he dreamed of Lottie Night 1, and Volo Night 2. Since TEW had suspected Volo enough to vote for him Day 1, it seems logical he would have dreamed Volo the next Night.

On the other hand....

Day 3



It doesn't get much clearer than this. He flat out accused Shasta of being a wolf. Coupled with Shasta's forced case against me, it makes even more sense.

So, my vote toDay requires no more thought.

++Shasta

1. Voting this early in the day is never a good thing, and smacks of nasty cobblerism. Which doesn't surprise me, considering.

2. So what's your explanation for EW's flat dropping of Eomer as a suspect overNight, then?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

1. Voting this early in the day is never a good thing, and smacks of nasty cobblerism. Which doesn't surprise me, considering.

Vote for me, then!

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

2. So what's your explanation for EW's flat dropping of Eomer as a suspect overNight, then?

Maybe it was something you said....

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Vote for me, then!



Maybe it was something you said....

What does this even mean?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

What does this even mean?

That he abandoned anyone he might have planned to dream Night 3 in favor of you.

Like I said Shasta, this is just the icing on the cake. The way you and Pitch went about attacking me already had me suspicious.

Let everyone choose what they want to do. If people think I'm evil, fine. I'm not. I have nothing to lose here.

x/d with Eomer

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That he abandoned anyone he might have planned to dream Night 3 in favor of you.

Like I said Shasta, this is just the icing on the cake. The way you and Pitch went about attacking me already had me suspicious.

Let everyone choose what they want to do. If people think I'm evil, fine. I'm not. I have nothing to lose here.

x/d with Eomer

Nasty Shasta coming to the fore for a moment -

Inzil, I don't think you could be any more annoying if you tried. I mean, 'icing on the cake'? Really? I find this comment egregiously offensive. Contrary to what you may think, the game doesn't revolve entirely around you.

Now that that's out of my system, back to your regularly scheduled program.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inzil

It doesn't get much clearer than this. He flat out accused Shasta of being a wolf.

And another thing. He didn't, actually. According to what EW said in his post, he voted me for the following two reasons -

1. "I think he tried to frame Nog as the BW"

and

2. "This statement sticks in my craw" (re: my statement about Lottie which was quite obviously banter).

Both contrived, since reason 1 was discussed yesterDay and the question raised was "why would a Shastawolf go to all that trouble to frame Nog just to kill him?"

Someone's twisting words, and it's not me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

2. So what's your explanation for EW's flat dropping of Eomer as a suspect overNight, then?

He had dreamed of two innocents; he needed to vote for someone, so chose me; he then decided not to dream about me and instead chose you. His suspicion of me probably wasn't that high, or perhaps it was so high he knew I'd get lynched anyway.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

He had dreamed of two innocents; he needed to vote for someone, so chose me; he then decided not to dream about me and instead chose you. His suspicion of me probably wasn't that high, or perhaps it was so high he knew I'd get lynched anyway.

That doesn't make any sense. Given EW's obvious (in hindsight) pattern of dream-telegraphing (I mean, everyone so far has basically agreed that he dreamt Volo Night 2), there's no reason for him not to have dreamt you Night 3. You forget I've played several games with EW - there's something wrong if he's not calling for my blood by Day 3.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That doesn't make any sense. Given EW's obvious (in hindsight) pattern of dream-telegraphing (I mean, everyone so far has basically agreed that he dreamt Volo Night 2), there's no reason for him not to have dreamt you Night 3.

My dear Shasta: it makes perfect sense, and the reason for not dreaming about me is that there are almost a dozen people he can dream of. I know it's tempting to see patterns, but first: one example (that of Volo) does not a pattern make; and second: patterns can change anytime anyway.

You could shoehorn your theory in there, but that would ignore the fact that the Seer screamed your guilt from the rooftop.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

My dear Shasta: it makes perfect sense, and the reason for not dreaming about me is that there are almost a dozen people he can dream of. I know it's tempting to see patterns, but first: one example (that of Volo) does not a pattern make; and second: patterns can change anytime anyway.

You could shoehorn your theory in there, but that would ignore the fact that the Seer screamed your guilt from the rooftop.

I believe you're the one shoehorning. Or do you expect us to believe that he voted you just for kicks and giggles?

[Nerwen]

I believe you're the one shoehorning. Or do you expect us to believe that he voted you just for kicks and giggles?

He went out of his way to make it clear that he did not know Eomer's role:

Originally Posted by EW

Eomer's behavior strikes me as cobblerish, or he could be a wolf or a wight. Or he could be innocent. I don't know, but I'd bet he's bad.

In your case, my jewel, not so much:

Originally Posted by EW

++Shasta

I think he tried to frame Nogrod as the BW. Shasta, I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night.

This statement sticks in my craw,
That is not what Lottie had been advocating and I think you know it. One way or another, you're goin' down boy.

One last thing, I'm a he. This is the Elf-warrior, signing off. Death to lycanthropes!!

Rather a startling change of tone.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And another thing. He didn't, actually. According to what EW said in his post, he voted me for the following two reasons -

1. "I think he tried to frame Nog as the BW"

and

2. "This statement sticks in my craw" (re: my statement about Lottie which was quite obviously banter).

Both contrived, since reason 1 was discussed yesterDay and the question raised was "why would a Shastawolf go to all that trouble to frame Nog just to kill him?"

Someone's twisting words, and it's not me.

I quite agree. But, my dearest, when THE SEER has to come up with contrived reasons for voting someone, it tends to mean that his real reason is something else. SO that's not exactly a point in your favour.

[Aganzir]

I probably shouldn't drink yerba mate at this hour if I'm planning to go to sleep early, but it's the only thing that keeps my brain going long enough for me to post...

A couple of things worth pointing out.

I don't understand why Form made such a fuss of Shasta mentioning us both in a post.

I'm feeling good about Lottie (not the least because EW called her OK), wilwa & Zil. However if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm going to take a new look at the others I've been thinking innocent (namely Greenie & Pitch). I'm going to dare a guess there's at least one wolf among Eomer, Nerwen, Form and Kath (listed in order of suspiciousness).

There was something Eomer said before that caught my eye... Oh yes.

Inclined to think that Wilwa is guilty.

I don't think her fight with Shasta looked staged.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Reading through Shasta's posts today, Aganzir, I've changed my mind about Wilwa. I think she's probably innocent.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I made the following notes at work and emailed them home. May not include complete sentences.

------

Elf

Votes Volo but then retracts suspicion “after further consideration”. Possibly dreamed about him on Night 2.

Mentions that Loslote “seems OK to him”. Dreamed about her first night?

Votes Eomer.

Next day votes Shasta. Very convinced. Shasta clearly a wolf.





Reactions to EW’s vote for Shasta.

Loslote tries to discredit him immediately (within 15 minutes).

Shasta himself refuses to argue with EW.

Inziladun mentions it in a neutral manner, then goes on to discuss other matters.

Wilwa not best pleased with EW’s method perhaps genuinely exasperated at players not posting much?

Aganzir doesn’t see anything too off with EW.

Loslote starts the chain of voting which would kill EW.

Inziladun makes sure to mention EW’s name as a potential lynch but votes for Kath instead.

Sally very suspicious of EW, but would rather vote Aganzir.

Green and Kath also vote EW.





Shasta wants to kill TEW, Inziladun, Eomer and Aganzir. This is before he is heavily suspected due to EW’s vote and death. He won’t be voting for Wilwa, Loslote or Green and he’s neutral on Pitch and Nerwen.

Sally, Kath and Form unclear to him.

Shasta votes for Inziladun.



Wolves: Shasta.

Probably not Inzi or Loslote. Not Aganzir.



I say probably between: Wilwa, Green, Sally, Kath, Pitch, Nerwen and Form.

Don’t think it’s Form. Don’t think it’s Kath.

Inclined to think that Wilwa is guilty.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nice try Shasta, but if EW made such a strong accusation against you, as the Seer, based on zero evidence then, well, we'd all just hunt him down in RL and burn him at the stake. And I don't believe, in all this time on the Downs, that we've ever noticed a death wish in EW.

I'm afraid you're toast.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Nice try Shasta, but if EW made such a strong accusation against you, as the Seer, based on zero evidence then, well, we'd all just hunt him down in RL and burn him at the stake. And I don't believe, in all this time on the Downs, that we've ever noticed a death wish in EW.

I'm afraid you're toast.

The reasons he gave for voting me are just as contrived as the reasons he gave for voting you Day 2. Just saying.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The reasons he gave for voting me are just as contrived as the reasons he gave for voting you Day 2. Just saying.

Dude, if he was straining to get some reasons for his vote then he would not have implicated you so forcefully. His post is clear as day; the seer would not do that.

I hope EW did dream about Loslote. He mentioned people by name so rarely. Surely he knew his responsibilities to the village? I found Loslote's immediate attack on EW (after his vote for Shasta) a wee bitty suspicious; but I suppose an innocent could easily mistake EW's seerish discovery for evil inconsistency.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Dude, if he was straining to get some reasons for his vote then he would not have implicated you so forcefully. His post is clear as day; the seer would not do that.

I hope EW did dream about Loslote. He mentioned people by name so rarely. Surely he knew his responsibilities to the village? I found Loslote's immediate attack on EW (after his vote for Shasta) a wee bitty suspicious; but I suppose an innocent could easily mistake EW's seerish discovery for evil inconsistency.

Dude, EW does it all the time. Would you like me to go dig up examples? Because I will.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Dude, EW does it all the time. Would you like me to go dig up examples? Because I will.

Would it be cruel of me to request that you do this?

I'm off to bed.