Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And that's why I think he dreamt Eomer on last night - otherwise he'd still have been on him yesterDay! He didn't mention Eomer at all, which to me says only one thing - he found him innocent another way. There's no other reason for EW to have dropped Eomer as a suspect so totally and completely.

Unless he'd dreamt you, of course. I mean, he only made one post yesterDay anyway– he just turned up, voted and disappeared. The previous Day he specially mentioned that he no longer suspected Volo–

Originally Posted by EW

I'm gonna flip flop some more and say that Volo seems OK to me after further consideration.

But yesterDay EW didn't bother to clear Eomer. I wouldn't say he "totally and completely" dropped him as a suspect– rather, we just don't know what he thought about anyone except you and Lottie yesterDay.

My radiant star, wouldn't this game-plan that you ascribe to our late Seer, of always voting for the person he planned to dream that Night, require him to give some hint of the result next Day? Wouldn't that be the point of it?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Unless he'd dreamt you, of course. I mean, he only made one post yesterDay anyway– he just turned up, voted and disappeared. The previous Day he specially mentioned that he no longer suspected Volo–

But yesterDay EW didn't bother to clear Eomer. I wouldn't say he "totally and completely" dropped him as a suspect– rather, we just don't know what he thought about anyone except you and Lottie yesterDay.

My radiant star, wouldn't this game-plan that you ascribe to our late Seer, of always voting for the person he planned to dream that Night, require him to give some hint of the result next Day? Wouldn't that be the point of it?

It would indeed, light of the east, if one planned to make more than one post per day. I think it was pretty obvious that EW was pressed for time, no?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sally practically ignores the whole Shasta thing and just votes for Aganzir, even this early. Would a wolfy Sally be so obviously wolfy?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sally practically ignores the whole Shasta thing and just votes for Aganzir, even this early. Would a wolfy Sally be so obviously wolfy?

A cranky Sally is cranky that everyone is letting the evil one live. Besides, you've proven my point. The only discussion toDay is going to be about Shasta, which is letting the other wolves (or all the wolves, if he isn't one, and don't even get me started on the BW) get another Day free and clear. I'm not happy about that.

Also, for what it's worth, I know I've had major hunches as seer before, and acted on them because I didn't have anything else to go on at the time. Perhaps EW did the same thing; he may have cleared only innocents, or most of his dreams could have been dead. I'm not saying it's the case, but I've seen other seers go 'WOLF, DIE, I KEEL YOU' and it's just a major hunch because they've eliminated other suspects and thus see the person they're voting for as an obvious choice. Of course, it's a bit early in the game for that type of strategy, so either way is possible, but it's something to consider.

Also also, if Shasta does turn up innocent, we know who else we need to look at. I'm not saying that following possible seer hints is a bad idea, but when that's all people will talk about, without allowing for doubt or other suspicion, it makes me think that they either feel threatened or that they're preparing to sacrifice and innocent. Just something to consider should Shasta be good in the end, as I do so love to prepare for every possibility.


Also also....also, apologies. I fell asleep last night and now I need to get off to work. I may be around when/if I go somewhere for lunch, but other than that I won't be back until right before the deadline. Please have more discussion while I'm gone, and please don't make it all about Shasta. Thanks.


P.S. I just woke up, so I'm sorry if this is rambly and a bit nonsensical. :/

x'd with Muffin

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sally,

Day had been going only a couple of hours and Shasta had been arguing pretty forcefully. Why shouldn't we concentrate on sorting that out?

Also, why are you so sure Aganzir is guilty? Why vote so early? You're behaving pretty strangely.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sally,

Day had been going only a couple of hours and Shasta had been arguing pretty forcefully. Why shouldn't we concentrate on sorting that out?

Also, why are you so sure Aganzir is guilty? Why vote so early? You're behaving pretty strangely.

The Day's over halfway over, and no one has discussed anything else. Again, try again. If he's a wolf, lynch him and move on. Otherwise he can just argue all Day and you'll ignore everyone else in the village.

Because she is. It's her attitude, the way she's going after me for suspecting her (which she has consistently done when she's guilty, whereas when she's innocent she sort of agrees to disagree), and the way that no one else is paying her any mind. And I'm not entirely sure I'll be back (I may work late, etc.), so I don't want to wait to vote when I already know who I'll be voting for.

I'm behaving strangely? I'm behaving rationally. You're refusing to see anything but the evidence the seer has HANDED you. Use your brain. Accuse someone else toDay, rather than just blindly following the seer's (possible) dreams. That's all I ask.


And I'm now severely late for work. Crap. Best be off. :/

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You were worried about it becoming a Shasta-show after around 3 hours of the new day. What's happened since then has nothing to do with how odd your comments were then.

I say you're behaving strangely; you say you're behaving rationally. The two are not mutually exclusive: of course it's perfectly rational to vote for your top suspect. But to do it in light of an interesting developing situation (the Shasta debate) so early on is a bit strange.

And I'm not refusing anything. I dealt with the issue that's number one on my priority list; now I've already moved on to my next suspect (which you should probably have noticed by now )

[Aganzir]

First off, don't expect much participation from me today, at least compared to the previous days - I'm dead tired (painting seemed like such a good idea last night) and I have some schoolwork to take care of.

I'm not going to take part in the Shasta debate because it would just give me a headache and at least to me EW's vote for Shasta is a sufficient reason to lynch him.

Originally Posted by wilwa

Well since we all know I'm not the BW, and since there was no Night kill anyways you can trust this: I got stunned last Night, so that, along with any hints over who may have been a Night 2 kill choice, could help us narrow down who the BW is.

I know there's no way you can be sure I'm telling the truth, but it was me the night before. Hence my comment about the BW possibly being on my suspect list - I'd guess she tries to stun people who might, if the seer, cause problems to her. I admit that's not a waterproof theory and it also depends on who the BW is, but to me it would make the most sense.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Sally practically ignores the whole Shasta thing and just votes for Aganzir, even this early. Would a wolfy Sally be so obviously wolfy?

I don't think that's "obviously wolfy". It's pretty certain Shasta is going down so voting for someone else doesn't really count as an attempt to save him.

Originally Posted by sally

Because she is. It's her attitude, the way she's going after me for suspecting her (which she has consistently done when she's guilty, whereas when she's innocent she sort of agrees to disagree), and the way that no one else is paying her any mind.

That's ridiculous. I started to suspect you because your suspicion of me is crappy - no offense but if it's actually genuine, I'll cut my nails or something. Here's the post sally first talked about me, go and see for yourselves (and it's only gotten worse after that). And please elaborate what you mean by "agrees to disagree" because I have no idea.

Next I'm going to do a sally analysis (although the more accurate term would probably be "a case against sally") because she arouses way more feelings in me than Shasta.

[Aganzir]

Agan Day 2 (unknown) suspects: sally, Nerwen. Later I also added that something Eomer said would be convenient if he was the BW, and I considered voting for sally or Eomer.

Wilwa Day 3 "could lynch" (given their scarce posting): Eomer, Form, Kath, sally. She suspected the first three already on day 2.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Eomer.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, all this circus aside, I have to say, my frozen goodness, I don't think your idea of "EW votes for someone, then dreams them" is a very valid one. It could happen, but I don't think it's the case here. It leaves too much room for things like this to happen, and it would be a big risk, especially if he voted for the ranger and then dreamed his role, only to be killed that Night and have the village go after their only remaining gifted (which obviously didn't happen here, but that's not the point).

tl;dr. Possible!theory is possible, but probably not the case here. Sorry, love.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Hmm, and about that same game, after we did lynch you, we went after Pitch because you had expressed so much suspicion for him, so we assumed he must have been your dream. But he hadn't been, he was innocent. So yeah, it's very possible that he never dreamt you, but since he dreamt only innocents he needed someone to suspect, so in his busy rush he picked you. BUT, he went after you really hard, it wasn't just a "I think he might be guilty, but maybe not" thing like when he voted Eomer, it was a "die wolfie die" thing.

Exactly. This isn't an instance of a Seer voting for someone and saying "I think xe's evil". I don't see why TEW would have been so specific if he hadn't dreamed Shasta. If he only had suspicions on Shasta, why not couch them in terms as he did with Eomer?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also also, if Shasta does turn up innocent, we know who else we need to look at. I'm not saying that following possible seer hints is a bad idea, but when that's all people will talk about, without allowing for doubt or other suspicion, it makes me think that they either feel threatened or that they're preparing to sacrifice and innocent. Just something to consider should Shasta be good in the end, as I do so love to prepare for every possibility.

If Shasta turns up innocent, the ones to immediately consider perhaps should be Lottie, Eomer, and me, as the ones who pushed for Shasta's lynch toDay.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

#110 - suspects Inziladun, Aganzir and Pitch. His fight with Inzi then became well-documented.

#133 - more suspicion on Agan and Pitch, and also some on Wilwa & Green.

#182 - argues with Wilwa

#184 - steps back somewhat from his suspicion of Agan/Green/Wilwa/Pitch

#216 - flirts with Kath, then gets exasperated by her.


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Ok, less likely to suspect the worst in Wilwa and Pitch now.

Kath and Green I am more concerned about. Kath, Green, Form, Sally & Nerwen - a double dose o' wolvery in that lot, I'll wager!