WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Legate

In any case, it is not 100% sure that he dreamed of Mänwe, but likely. And I think it would be really far worse to lose because of ignoring Shasta's dream than losing because we misinterpretated it. Unless it was some sort of trap for the Wolves to lure them out or whatnot... but that'd be rather risky for him, I'd say.

I don't think I get your trap for the Wolves -theory. If suspecting Manwë was a trap to lure the wolves out, it obviously worked, but wouldn't that mean Manwë is a wolf? I'm confused.

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I must say, the moment I saw that Boro wasn't the cobbler I immediately thought: surely he is a wolf then!

Now I'm not as sure - I can see other possibilities - but I'm still quite certain. A wolf pretending to be the cobbler makes perfect sense whereas the other alternatives are quite far-fetched.

That said, I fully intend to vote Mänwe toDay. The combined evidence of Shasta's sudden red alert and the fact that the wolves night-killed him is the nail in the coffin for me. It would be foolish to ignore that.

In fact:

++Mänwe

By the way, isn't it ironic that Mänwe's only contribution (that I remember) was a call-out for more suspicion for the quiet, low-key players?

EDIT: x'ed with the Män himself

[Mänwe]

Will no one accept my making things worse for myself as a sign I am innocent?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I don't think I get your trap for the Wolves -theory. If suspecting Manwë was a trap to lure the wolves out, it obviously worked, but wouldn't that mean Manwë is a wolf? I'm confused.

Yes, I meant unless in case if Mänwe was not a Wolf and Shasta just wanted to try to lure the WWs out, and they then attacked him either randomly or with some different purpose, like to frame innocent Mänwe. But anyway, of course most likely is that he is one of them and either was dreamed about or at most being lured out (if e.g. Shasta perhaps dreamed of somebody who died that Night, or something).

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Why are we assuming he's dreamed of Manwe? When he begins yesterday with no one in his "red" meter?

Because if he put only one person into his "red" box, it would be clear to the WWs that he is the Seer, especially if Mänwe is one of them. Shasta obviously wanted to stay hidden still. Of course, it was not much more subtle (from the WWs' perspective) to go after Mänwe in such way, but he did also another analysis of Cailín and made all these "announcements" that he is going to look at this one and that one toDay in his beginning post of the Day. And when Mänwe was not lynched normally, he perhaps hoped for not being discovered (since the idea was dismissed) while at the same time leaving a clear enough clue in case he died. Or this is the way I could imagine it.