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Blind Guardian · 01-12-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by narfforc

Anyone who wishes to know what High Elves are should read The Silmarillion.

I did.

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Originally Posted by narfforc

What is Sacred 2?

A game. There are High Elves in it. I don't remember there being High Elves in the Sil.

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Originally Posted by Galadriel

Forgive me, I don't quite know what you're talking about

Sacred 2

I didn't realize a joke would bring so much confusion...

Galadriel55 · 01-12-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I don't remember there being High Elves in the Sil.

The High Elves - aka Calaquendi - are the ones that went to Valinor: Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri

Galin · 01-12-2011, 08:08 PM

High Elves can have two types of reference in my opinion:

A) Most often High Elves = Tareldar, the Elves that went to Aman, and thus in Middle-earth the returning Noldor.

B) But also it sometimes refers to the Eldar or 'West-elves' and thus includes the Sindar -- as opposed to the East-elves.

I think Frodo (at least arguably) can be said to use 'High Elves' in the sense of B here, because the Sindar would use the name Elbereth as well... even though, again from an external perspective, Tolkien wrote this line when the language scenario was quite different.

Evisse the Blue · 02-06-2011, 12:57 PM

Well....that part in the movie when Frodo says 'Wood Elves' always makes me laugh because it's silly. Mostly it's the way he says it, like those 'wood elves' are some extinct or elusive species of the woods which must not be alerted to their presence / disturbed out of their habitat. Secondly because from the first time I saw it in the Extended Edition, I understood exactly the thought process at work here, to introduce the 'elves' from afar to the non-book reading audience, who have no idea what elves are and name them '...wood elves, because they happen to be in a forest, right? This way the audience won't be confused at all'. Also as Sam and Frodo watch them from afar in awe, they appear as visions of light and splendor, much like the book-reading audience envisions High Elves. The NBR audience would just assume all elves are like that, be they the wood, hill or dale species.

High fives all around!

02-06-2011, 12:57 PM	#4
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Well....that part in the movie when Frodo says 'Wood Elves' always makes me laugh because it's silly. Mostly it's the way he says it, like those 'wood elves' are some extinct or elusive species of the woods which must not be alerted to their presence / disturbed out of their habitat. Secondly because from the first time I saw it in the Extended Edition, I understood exactly the thought process at work here, to introduce the 'elves' from afar to the non-book reading audience, who have no idea what elves are and name them '...wood elves, because they happen to be in a forest, right? This way the audience won't be confused at all'. Also as Sam and Frodo watch them from afar in awe, they appear as visions of light and splendor, much like the book-reading audience envisions High Elves. The NBR audience would just assume all elves are like that, be they the wood, hill or dale species. High fives all around! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

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01-12-2011, 08:08 PM	#3
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	High Elves can have two types of reference in my opinion: A) Most often High Elves = Tareldar, the Elves that went to Aman, and thus in Middle-earth the returning Noldor. B) But also it sometimes refers to the Eldar or 'West-elves' and thus includes the Sindar -- as opposed to the East-elves. I think Frodo (at least arguably) can be said to use 'High Elves' in the sense of B here, because the Sindar would use the name Elbereth as well... even though, again from an external perspective, Tolkien wrote this line when the language scenario was quite different.