Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

Well then- Glorfindel possibly has a play up his sleeve now- the identity of a non-Wolf. And since he can come back from the dead to prove his claim, that person will be a proven innocent.

Let's say he reveals both himself and his target. That person dies tonight, as that is the guaranteed kill (Glorfy can't protect him twice in a row). The following night the Wolves have to go after Glorfy and he protects himself (another foiled kill!), and then the next night they finally do kill him, but he simply returns again, only with double protections! The first night he will probably protect himself, as the Wolves will likely feel obligated to try and off him two night in a row, for it is too great a gamble for them to risk being foiled by yet another protection (in other words, he's likely to foil another kill after returning).

So, basically what we have is FOUR nights amounting to ONE kill (the Wolves selecting Glorfy all four nights in a row). Or at least that is the percentage play given the impossibility of the Wolves winning with Glorfy around at the end (they HAVE to kill him). Not to mention the Wolves will fear attempting to kill anyone besides Glorfy due to the fact that he may in a village this size foil them (especially once he has double protections) which would allow him to reveal to us yet ANOTHER proven innocent.

So we're sitting at a population of 12, and if we decide to limit to single lynches...
lynch: 11
kill last night's: 10
lynch: 9
fail kill Glorfy: 9
lynch: 8
kill Glorfy: 7
lynch (Glorfy back): 7
fail kill Glorfy: 7
lynch: 6
kill Glorfy: 5

I'd say that those protections stretch the game out nicely, yes? The question is, is such a tactic worth it, or would Glorfy be better served to try and stay hidden another day before revealing? If he takes that route, then his protection from last night certainly dies tonight if not lynched (he will no longer have that status protection), BUT he gains the advantage of existing with double protections in a smaller sized village later in the game, which is extremely powerful!

So, the question is, does anyone think it would be worth it for Glorfy to reveal IF it seems obvious that we are looking to lynch his protection from last night? Or should he just stay hidden no matter what? I'm of the opinion that we're unlikely to lynch his protection from last night, as that individual is likely to be a rather innocent looking sort.

UNLESS of course Glorfy protected HIMSELF last night, in which case I really think he ought to come out with it so we know not to lynch him and to trust him, because if he doesn't reveal the Wolves will simply kill him tonight anyway.

(x-post with all)
(edit numbers- forgot a night)

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, I'm wondering– is it safe to assume that Shastanis Lúthien and Beranzir are going to use Mith's odd-even plan?

I'm going to assume it.

[the phantom]

Looking back on the instructions it seems to me that the Dead checked Lommy last night (since she was the first to reach the total).

Did we ever specify if odds or evens meant guilty or innocent?

If not then we need to post that so that one of them on that thread can see it here before they start voting.

[the phantom]

And about the double lynch- honestly I'm not even a little bit sorry. Heh- I actually wasn't expecting the double due to the fact that there was the extra-vote power out there (I completely forgot the fact that Agan hadn't voted either of the top two candidates, plus Shasta didn't vote, and those two were pretty well guaranteed to have the power) but I'm glad I finally offed Lommy, and I'm anxious to see what she was.

As far as Nessa... We ought to debate tomorrow (or late today after the vote is decided) if we'd rather have our latest lynch checked or her, but that's not an issue for now.

[Boromir88]

I lied.

Originally Posted by the phantom

As far as Nessa... We ought to debate tomorrow (or late today after the vote is decided) if we'd rather have our latest lynch checked or her, but that's not an issue for now.

No. It's best if we tell the dead exactly what we want now. Leaving to decide this later in the day will only clutter up the lynch, and also make it easier for any baddies to mess up and put an end to Agan's plan.

If you want to wait to see if you think it would be better to let Nessa go and the dead check who we lynch today. Fine. But I say we tell them the plan now.

What I mean is, EVERYONE, and I mean everyone. Besides just making your lynch vote, tell the dead who you want to check.

I suggest. "Dead ones. Check ______" (insert Nessa or Today's lynch)

Dead people. Go by majority rules. If it's a tie, go by the person who first reached the vote.

Agree this is a straight forward plan the dead can follow? Excellent. Moving on...

[Mithalwen]

Glad as I am that I have said something sensible for once, it does occur that we could totally eliminate any wolf anticipation by just stating the criteria for the day depending on who we have left - There are lots of ways of doing it someone with numbers in name, one word name.... but for today odds and evens is just fine. Of course we don't have to vary the system at all but if pointing out we could stymies a wolftrick


Are we going to refine it to make clear if Lommie or Nessa or is that too limiting?

[Mithalwen]

Ah so there was a def agreement in case of a double lynch, okies. Well I shall be out for a few hours this morning but on past form will be quiet anyway.

[Boromir88]

This morning, I was having the same problems as Ang. The BD was temporarily not loading.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Glad as I am that I have said something sensible for once, it does occur that we could totally eliminate any wolf anticipation by just stating the criteria for the day depending on who we have left - There are lots of ways of doing it someone with numbers in name, one word name.... but for today odds and evens is just fine. Of course we don't have to vary the system at all but if pointing out we could stymies a wolftrick

Well, I think the odds and evens is simple and can't be affected by the lynches. The only way it gets screwed up is if the baddies hijack the dead thread. But as long as the dead know what we want them to do, and there's a trail, Agan's plan will continue to work.

Which is why I brought up yesterday, if the dead went with Agan's plan than Nessa went unchecked, for the plan to continue being of use, we're going to have to tell the dead to either check the Nessa or today's lynch. Phantom wanted to put this off until later, because maybe finding out today's lynch could be more informative then finding out Nessa's role. Which is a fair enough point, but if we wait to spin around in circles about it, it's going to get all jacked up.

I'm proposing a method that will

1) Tell the dead whether we want them to check Nessa or Today's lynch.

2) So we have a clear trail to follow for ourselves, and we don't screw up what the dead are trying to tell us.

So, instead of just our lynch votes, I think we make it plain to see what we want the dead to do. Easiest thing I can think of is.

Check _____ (insert Nessa or Today's lynch )

Dead will then go by majority rules, and if there's some tricky attempt to tie it. Then the first person who reached the vote total.

This way dead will see what we want them to do, and can continue giving the extra vote with the odds/evens plan. And we also have a trail to follow back to, so we don't screw up our end in botching what info the dead give us. Make sense? Simple?

Edit: crossed since phantom's post.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Looking back on the instructions it seems to me that the Dead checked Lommy last night (since she was the first to reach the total).

Did we ever specify if odds or evens meant guilty or innocent?

If not then we need to post that so that one of them on that thread can see it here before they start voting.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Since Agan won't be back and Shasta isn't around shall we tell them to use odd number placement on the day's living list for wolf and even for non-wolf for their double vote?

So, if they follow that, then a double-vote to any of the following would mean "Lommywolf!": Glirdan, Elra, Lottie, Legate, phantom or Mith.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, if they follow that, then a double-vote to any of the following would mean "Lommywolf!": Glirdan, Elra, Lottie, Legate, phantom or Mith.

Okay, yes, let's go ahead and agree to that right now, plain to see.

ATTENTION DEAD PEOPLE!!

If Lommy is a Wolf, give an extra vote to one of these-
Glirdan
Elrond's Daughter
Lottie
Legate
Phantom
Mith

[the phantom]

All right- time for me to start getting ready for sleep. I have to get up early and shovel... Ugh...

[Boromir88]

I take this to mean Glorfindel made a good save last night! *and there was much rejoicing...yay*

This nullifies that double-lynch yesterday *glares at phantom and Lottie*.

Ok, so the dead convened yesterday and the unknown options would have been Nessa, Lommy, Nog, and Fea. Correct?

Late in the DL Agan came up with a plan to transfer information from the dead thread to us, by finding the identity of the player we lynch the previous day. And for extra insurance in case of a double-lynch it would be the first person who reached in lynch vote. This would make it Lommy.

I know no one's going to believe me when I say it, but I'm neither cobbler nor wolf. We can make use of what the dead found out yesterday if we are clear about the hint we want. The time for debating this is over and done yesterday, we got to get moving. If I know Agan, she's going to be a drill sergeant, so unless the threads been hijacked by Nog and taken over by baddies. Her and Shasta will get done what we want, and unless the innocents have gone insane or just stopped participating, we can trust the dead if we listen to them.

The buck stops here, this is what we're doing. Mith's idea with the odds and evens is perfect. And for extra insurance, so that the lynch today has NO effect on the hint the dead give us...

Dead people. If Lommy's a wolf, make your vote for one of the odds players on the living list that Rikae posted to started the day. If she's not a wolf, make it an even player.

Edit: crossed with several...including Nerwen and phantom's messages for the dead. Looks like we all have come to the same decision. Good.

One more thing before sleepy time...Glorfy. Reveal when you want to, don't listen to phantom.

[Loslote]

Well, well, well.

I didn't mean to tie the vote there yesterDay, and I did make a rather odd face there (something along the lines of o.O, only more so), but Glorfy's save sort of evened out the numbers a teensy bit. I consider it a good exchange, really - someone who could have been a wolf was killed instead of someone who couldn't have. So, all in all, I'm a lot less head-bang-y than I was at the end of yesterDay.

EDIT: xed with Phantoms

[Glirdan]

Okay, I've kept my eyelids open long enough now that I can't keep them open any longer and my brain is mush thus making me incapable of proper thought formulation. I"m going to bed now. I'll be back later in the Day.

PS: I'll be voting early toDay as I have to work till right up to DL.