Itaril

[Pitchwife]

I wouldn't say that - looking at that pic, Geordie does have a certain charismatic presence, wouldn't you say? As for his role, it makes me hope we'll see Beorn's housekeeping animals after all, even though it looks like Beorn himself is going to be replaced by Radagast, who I suppose will enter the Battle of Five Armies at the last moment, riding on Geordie, and save the day; Geordie of course will have the honour of finishing Bolg by running him through with his single horn.

Further speculations:

• Either Itaril or Leggie or both will conspire with Bilbo to free the Dwarves, defying Thranduil's orders.
• Itaril will meet a tragical heroic death in the Bo5A, causing Leggie to go berserk and vent his grief by killing a few mumakil. (What do you say, there weren't any in that battle? How narrow minded... What are a few uncanonicities among friends?)
• Finally, with Leggie in the film, another bowman would be quite redundant, so guess who gets to shoot Smaug? Bingo. Bye bye Bard...

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Lord almighty. What is it with these people? If they're going to "re-imagine" a classic work of fiction into fanfic, the least they could do is steal from a good piece of fanfic rather than some godawful Mary Sue. Is that really the best these "professional" writers can do? Must go slam head into wall...

[Alcuin]

Beorn replaced by Radagast?
Well I’m aghast!

Since Beorn transformed into an enormous bear, will Radagast transform into an enormous goat?

Was it the psychedelic coloring of the goat that induced them to introduce it into the movie?

Is the “laugh-a-minute” beastie somehow an inside joke that they’ve “got Tolkien’s goat”?

Originally Posted by Letters of JRRT #198

As far as I am concerned personally, I should welcome the idea of an animated motion picture, with all the risk of vulgarization; and that quite apart from the glint of money… I think I should find vulgarization less painful than sillification…

[Peterson_Hobbit]

Thanks for all the great answers! Y'all are rockstars.

As you can easily surmise, my suspicions/interest around the Itaril character were aroused when I read an article about the movie and read the name: "Itaril". I couldn't remember an Itaril in The Hobbit, but, I knew a quick post out on The Downs would satisfy my query.

Thanks all!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Now that we've found out that this character name belongs to the movies, I'm moving the thread to that forum. Enjoy reading and posting there!

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I wouldn't say that - looking at that pic, Geordie does have a certain charismatic presence, wouldn't you say? As for his role, it makes me hope we'll see Beorn's housekeeping animals after all, even though it looks like Beorn himself is going to be replaced by Radagast, who I suppose will enter the Battle of Five Armies at the last moment, riding on Geordie, and save the day; Geordie of course will have the honour of finishing Bolg by running him through with his single horn.

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I think Beorn has been cast ..some strapping Swedish chap whose name escapes me. Radagast is no doubt included to bulk out the white council and justify the two film thing (kerching!).

[Dimturiel]

Is it just me, or does anyone else fear that this Itaril person is going to pull an Arwen and be the one who shoots Smaug? Either that, or she's going to be the first one to discover Bilbo took Gollum's ring or something along these lines that would make the audience think that the story would not have been able to move forward without her presence (when the original story had moved forward quite nicely without her being there, thank you very much).

And why is it a requirment to have a female in every film so that the girls in the audience don't feel offended or left out because they have no one to relate to? Who would relate to her anyway? I know I won't, judging from what she sounds like. (Why would I want to relate to someone in the king's guard, waving her sword all over the place and having adventures? (shudders). Nasty things. Make you late for supper. See? I'm already relating to one of the characters, actually, exactly to the one I - and any other pesron in the audience, because, let's be honest, we're all more hobbits than heroes - was expected to relate to in the first place). And who thought up this character anyway? She sounds like something a 13 year old would invent, trying to make up an idealised version of herself. (How old are PJ's kids now, by the way? Maybe they had a hand in inventing Itaril?). Believe me, I know, I used to make up characters like that too. I grew out of it. Also, one has to wonder if the population of the Woodland Elves is decreasing so dramatically, that they have to resort to employing andolescent Elf-maidens to join the King's Guard.

And ayway, would this movie - or any movie for that matter - really not sell unless it had a cheesy romance in it? I mean, to me The Hobbit was more about, well, growing up, in a way, and learning to do what's right and all that. It was originally a children's book and it was destined to entertain and teach children. It was never intended for dreamy teenagers who think the only thing that counts in this world is lurv.

By the way, while I was writing this, I just had a mental image of a scene after Bilbo takes the Arkenstone, with Itaril waving it in front of Thorin, and telling him:If you want the Arkenstone, come and claim it, or something equally horrific.

[Morthoron]

Itaril has vibrant violet eyes, but because of her orphaned and violent childhood (an attack by orcs killed her parents), she is blind. But blindness in Elfesses merely grants them extraordinary psychic powers. She can actually see better blind! Riding forth from Mirkwood on her long-maned pony named Brandy (short for Brandywine), she fights injustice, wielding two Elven daggers and a bow of crystal called Teh Cuthalion.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Itaril has vibrant violet eyes, but because of her orphaned and violent childhood (an attack by orcs killed her parents), she is blind. But blindness in Elfesses merely grants them extraordinary psychic powers. She can actually see better blind! Riding forth from Mirkwood on her long-maned pony named Brandy (short for Brandywine), she fights injustice, wielding two Elven daggers and a bow of crystal called Teh Cuthalion.

I see RPG parody potential here that would compete with MarySue Whynniel (sorry, Estelyn, I cannot remember the correct spelling of her illustrious name).

I don't think we've done role plays that parody the movies, have we? Or would that not be regarded as Canonical enough?

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I see RPG parody potential here that would compete with MarySue Whynniel (sorry, Estelyn, I cannot remember the correct spelling of her illustrious name).

I don't think we've done role plays that parody the movies, have we? Or would that not be regarded as Canonical enough?

In addition, Itaril teaches Legolas how to shield surf, as well as coiffing his hair with all those lustrous plaits and braids. Such body, such bounce!

[piosenniel]

And in addition to those vibrant violet eyes, she has flame red tresses . . .

[tylerfh]

Originally Posted by Dimturiel

And who thought up this character anyway? She sounds like something a 13 year old would invent, trying to make up an idealised version of herself.
...
And ayway, would this movie - or any movie for that matter - really not sell unless it had a cheesy romance in it?

EXACTLY!!! When I read the casting call about Itaril falling in love with a young elf-lord, all I could picture was the screaming adolescent Twilight fangirls. *puts finger down throat*

If they reduce a part of the GREATEST FANTASY CANON EVER WRITTEN to that level, I'm sending some people to see ol' Mandos. If it's absolutely necessary to have a romance in the movies, cheat on the chronology a little and put in how Arwen and Aragorn met. Anything would be better...And if they're looking for side-plot material, there's plenty of stuff to fill up space: Smaug's attack on the dwarves, the dwarves' war with the goblins, the White Council, Sauron in Dol-Guldur, Gollum's capture by Gandalf afterwards...I could go on.

I've created a page on Facebook, and maybe if enough people join it will send a message to PJ and company:
www.facebook.com/Hobbit.Fans.Against.Itaril
everyone join if you want Itaril cut out!

[Bêthberry]

What's needed is something in keeping with old fairy tales.

We have Luthien doing her Rapunzel bit.

What The Hobbit's dwarves need is a good housekeeper.*runs off to figure out the Sindarin or Quenya for "Snow White"*

[narfforc]

Maybe Glosfaen/Losfain.... any thoughts?

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by narfforc

Maybe Glosfaen/Losfain.... any thoughts?

Well, according to the Ardalambion, lossë or lossëa means 'fallen snow' or 'snow white', so we have something to work on.

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

There's a song to Varda that calls her "Snow-white" - sung by Gildor's Elves in "Three is Company". Maybe she would like to get more involved in the daily doings of Middle-earth?

But can she cook, Esty?

Originally Posted by Morth

What about a WitchKing that eats Hobbits who have nibbled on his gingerbread barrow? Or perhaps a wooden Legolas yearning to be a real boy?

Ohhh, I see great potential for the true story of the film script in our newly revamped RPG fora. Seriously. Could we best PJ (and his script writers) at his game?

Originally Posted by Inzil

If they're looking for a fairy-tale angle though, why does it have to be a well-known English-based one? I vote for some tie-in to this tale. Then the Battle of Five Armies can be won by a living tree-stump baby eating the Orcs. Here's a thought: that could replace Beorn!

Oh, to be canonical it would have to be a Brothers Grimm tale.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

What's needed is something in keeping with old fairy tales.

What about a WitchKing that eats Hobbits who have nibbled on his gingerbread barrow? Or perhaps a wooden Legolas yearning to be a real boy?

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Or perhaps a wooden Legolas yearning to be a real boy?

I think a wooden Gollum would be better in that case But I loved the subtle ribbing you gave

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

What's needed is something in keeping with old fairy tales.

What The Hobbit's dwarves need is a good housekeeper.*runs off to figure out the Sindarin or Quenya for "Snow White"*

There's a song to Varda that calls her "Snow-white" - sung by Gildor's Elves in "Three is Company". Maybe she would like to get more involved in the daily doings of Middle-earth?

[xMellrynxMaidenx]

Originally Posted by tylerfh

EXACTLY!!! When I read the casting call about Itaril falling in love with a young elf-lord, all I could picture was the screaming adolescent Twilight fangirls. *puts finger down throat*

If they reduce a part of the GREATEST FANTASY CANON EVER WRITTEN to that level, I'm sending some people to see ol' Mandos. If it's absolutely necessary to have a romance in the movies, cheat on the chronology a little and put in how Arwen and Aragorn met. Anything would be better...And if they're looking for side-plot material, there's plenty of stuff to fill up space: Smaug's attack on the dwarves, the dwarves' war with the goblins, the White Council, Sauron in Dol-Guldur, Gollum's capture by Gandalf afterwards...I could go on.

I've created a page on Facebook, and maybe if enough people join it will send a message to PJ and company:
www.facebook.com/Hobbit.Fans.Against.Itaril
everyone join if you want Itaril cut out!

After watching the latest Hobbitin5 video, they are adding in the bit with the White Council, which should be interesting to see.

My views on Itaril are neutral now. I mean, as long as PJ doesn't twist and mangle the main plot-line violently, tossing her in doesn't bother me as much as it did before. As of yet, I don't think Orlie will be in the movie (which we all know he's the young elf-lord, who else? Then again, it could be one of the twin sons...you never know, PJ would do it), so I don't think it will focus too much on that. Bard the Bowman is too much of a main character to give his role away to someone else (IE Glorfindel's role was given to Arwen in the movies, in which PJ did that simply for the romance of Arwen and Aragorn*). Concerning Glorfindel's role, WE know as fans of the book-verse that his role is important, but the main thing I think PJ saw was that it was small.

If memory serves me correct, Glorfindel at the request of Lord Elrond, rode out to help Frodo reach Rivendell (I've not made it far after this in re-reading the series, so if I'm wrong someone please re-freshen my memory). A role as small as that (no matter the importance of the person) can be given away to another character. I'm not saying it was okay and that it should have been given away, because personally I don't understand PJ casting someone as Glorfindel in the movies and NOT giving that person their rightful role in the first place. The main reason, no doubt, was for the romance. Bard the Bowman, however, plays a bigger role in the Hobbit.


At least someone was brave enough to bring this wonderful world alive for us; it's definitely not easy. Sure, they could be a bit more correct with certain scenes, but the thing that counts is that at least WE know what really happened.

* My assumption

Edit: I'm uncertain, after re-reading my post, that the twin sons possibly wasn't even born at the time (though I think they may have been, the Hobbit began 55 -?- years before the Lord of the Rings and the Twin Sons were born in 130 TA)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

At least someone was brave enough to bring this wonderful world alive for us; it's definitely not easy. Sure, they could be a bit more correct with certain scenes, but the thing that counts is that at least WE know what really happened.

Personally, I can do without PJ, or anyone else bringing Tolkien's work "alive". It isn't necessary.

If they're looking for a fairy-tale angle though, why does it have to be a well-known English-based one? I vote for some tie-in to this tale. Then the Battle of Five Armies can be won by a living tree-stump baby eating the Orcs. Here's a thought: that could replace Beorn!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mellryn

A role as small as that (no matter the importance of the person) can be given away to another character.

I understand that it would be very confusing for someone to watch a movie where there are dozens of different characters and all have different importat but small roles. However, PJ is such a hypocrite - he takes away roles from LOTR, but adds them to TH!

[Elfchick7]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

Bard the Bowman is too much of a main character to give his role away to someone else (IE Glorfindel's role was given to Arwen in the movies, in which PJ did that simply for the romance of Arwen and Aragorn*).

What is the official fate of dear Bard? Anyone know? Onering.net Lists him as "not yet cast" Have any of y'all heard the official word on that?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Elfchick7

What is the official fate of dear Bard? Anyone know? Onering.net Lists him as "not yet cast" Have any of y'all heard the official word on that?

Who needs Bard when you have Legolas?

[narfforc]

Originally Posted by xMellrynxMaidenx

Edit: I'm uncertain, after re-reading my post, that the twin sons possibly wasn't even born at the time (though I think they may have been, the Hobbit began 55 -?- years before the Lord of the Rings and the Twin Sons were born in 130 TA)

The main events of The Lord of the Rings occured during the the years 3018/19 TA, so they would be some thousands of years old.