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Alfirin · 04-25-2011, 08:00 AM

Another place Smaugh might have made a difference (assuming he agreed to help Sauron) might be at Pellenor. This would basically have been a bigger version of how he might have helped at some of the other battles. At Pellenor he basically could have all but destroyed the whole Minas Tirith army, frying them from the air. Or suppose the amount of coopertation between Smaug and Sauron was deep enough that Smaug consented to let the WK ride him to Pellenor. With one blast of fire he could have literally roasted Theoden where he stood, and prbaby done the same to Eowyn Eormer and anyone else causing the Mordor armies trouble. With only one tiny weak spot he'd have been a lot harder to take down than the winged beasts were, and he might not have even had that weak spot anymore (since Smaug unlike a winged beast is both intellegent and articulate, if he knew about the missing spot (or someone in Mordor noticed it) he could probably have had a breastplate made in Mordor(He's undowtedly strong enough to bear that much extra weight) Or simply had someone stick a gem right in the opening, making him TRULY invicible. Actually the army probably would not have been neccecarry, Smaug Himself could have simply flown over and roasted Minas Tirith (we saw how badly it suffered from fire simply from flaming arrows, imagine what dragon fire could do). Quite simply with Smaug you would have a mobile flying firestorm. who knows how that would have changed things.

blantyr · 04-26-2011, 01:27 AM

I'm figuring the one thing harder to herd than cats might be dragons. While Morgoth once commanded them to fight as a team, have any of them acted as part of a team since?

I shouldn't really second guess Gandalf's opinion, but I don't see Smaug going too far from his nice golden bed, and I can't see him sitting idle when the darkness comes. He'd do something, but I'm not sure what.

There would be risk if he'd gone against the elves of either Mirkwood or Lorien. The elves have the eyes and the archery skill. Smaug was arrogant enough to go after them anyway. I've no reason to expect Smaug would select Fangorn as a target, but he'd be one enemy a forest of hurons wouldn't want to see.

04-26-2011, 01:27 AM	#2
blantyr Wight Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Settling down in Bree for the winter. Posts: 208	Just conjecture... I'm figuring the one thing harder to herd than cats might be dragons. While Morgoth once commanded them to fight as a team, have any of them acted as part of a team since? I shouldn't really second guess Gandalf's opinion, but I don't see Smaug going too far from his nice golden bed, and I can't see him sitting idle when the darkness comes. He'd do something, but I'm not sure what. There would be risk if he'd gone against the elves of either Mirkwood or Lorien. The elves have the eyes and the archery skill. Smaug was arrogant enough to go after them anyway. I've no reason to expect Smaug would select Fangorn as a target, but he'd be one enemy a forest of hurons wouldn't want to see.

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04-25-2011, 08:00 AM	#1
Alfirin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 435	Another place Smaugh might have made a difference (assuming he agreed to help Sauron) might be at Pellenor. This would basically have been a bigger version of how he might have helped at some of the other battles. At Pellenor he basically could have all but destroyed the whole Minas Tirith army, frying them from the air. Or suppose the amount of coopertation between Smaug and Sauron was deep enough that Smaug consented to let the WK ride him to Pellenor. With one blast of fire he could have literally roasted Theoden where he stood, and prbaby done the same to Eowyn Eormer and anyone else causing the Mordor armies trouble. With only one tiny weak spot he'd have been a lot harder to take down than the winged beasts were, and he might not have even had that weak spot anymore (since Smaug unlike a winged beast is both intellegent and articulate, if he knew about the missing spot (or someone in Mordor noticed it) he could probably have had a breastplate made in Mordor(He's undowtedly strong enough to bear that much extra weight) Or simply had someone stick a gem right in the opening, making him TRULY invicible. Actually the army probably would not have been neccecarry, Smaug Himself could have simply flown over and roasted Minas Tirith (we saw how badly it suffered from fire simply from flaming arrows, imagine what dragon fire could do). Quite simply with Smaug you would have a mobile flying firestorm. who knows how that would have changed things.