WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I am here. Alas, my velcro shoes came off and I floated off into space for a bit, but all is well now.

Ah, good to hear. Just watch out for the koalas. I hear they have five-inch teeth and acid for blood.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Anyway, yeah, given that phantom had impressed me so much previously, I went straight to following him around. I just hope I don't turn out to be blindly following a phantlob.

That's why you've got to watch the tricksy phantom. He's always got some plot going, and the ends of those plots are not always clear.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Zil: It's been a while since I've played with him, but something strikes me as off...not sure yet, but he tops my list.

I'm quite 'off', but no more than usual.

Originally Posted by Loslote

tp: The way he labelled Wilwa and I innocent yesterDay made me think that he could be Shetom, preparing excuses for links between him and future Spiderlings, but I think he'd choose different people if that were the case. Since he's tp, unexplained assertions really wouldn't go questioned, no matter who he chose to unexplainedly assert things about.

And that's how he does it; things others would be suspected for are written off as just phantom being phantom.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Fea and BomTom strike me as innocent. And fun. But for the purposes of this post, primarily innocent.

I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

Lottie is coming across as rather quiet and careful. And no songs, still! Worrisome.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Side note- Ever since I posted that list of threads I've been waiting for Shasta to run in and say, "That does it!!" and declare me evil on grounds that I'm annoying.

Where is Shasta? Busy innocent or sinister spider?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

I still question the value, because there's no way of knowing if people are being truthful.

x/d with two Nerwens and a Lhuna

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay. I'm not sure whether this "who would you have protected were you Sam" -thing is a good idea or not. If everyone says they would have protected Lhuna (well, she was the only person based on yesterDay one could have a reason to try and heal, others I think would have been more or less shots in the dark) and Sam goes along saying the same truthfully, then we know that Lhuna is innocent toDay whether stinged on N1 or not. That would be good.

But the downside is that if Sam didn't try to heal Lhuna last Night for whichever reason he had he's now in trouble. Saying he tried to heal Lhuna gives us a possibly misleading confidence that Lhuna is a "known innocent", but giving another name would make him stand out from the others in a way Sam wouldn't probably like to.

There's another possibility. Maybe Sam did choose Lhuna, but Lhuna wasn't the target; Sam was. In that case knowing Same chose Lhuna would really not mean much at all, Lhuna could have still been the one stung the day before, or she could be Shelob. If I was Sam I probably would have chosen Lhuna, because a lot of people seemed to think that was a good idea, and I think a lot of people will say they would have chosen Lhuna if they were Sam (which makes me think Shelob did not sting Lhuna, knowing Sam had probably chosen her; therefore Shelob's target was likely Sam himself). So if Sam was the target, then knowing who his choice was isn't really important. That's why to me the whole exercise doesn't seem overly productive.

We have to consider the distinct possibility that Sam was the target (I feel like this is the likely situation), which means Shelob knows who he is and super wants him dead. (and her spawn also wants him dead) So we just need to keep an eye out for two people who seem to really want a certain person dead, with maybe weak reasons for it, and they could be guilty. Also, if we do end up accidently lynching Sam, then we could just look into who seemed to really want that person dead.

I think it could end up being a positive thing if Shelob is aware of Sam's identity this early. She can't kill him at Night, being lynched is the only threat to him, so in order to get him killed Shelob and her spawn need to really push a case against Sam, and if they succeed then a lot of attention could be brought to them the next Day, so it's super risky for them.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by ZIl

Ah, good to hear. Just watch out for the koalas. I hear they have five-inch teeth and acid for blood.

Yes, but they mostly keep to the trees. It's the man-eating kangaroos that are the real hazard.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

Yes– what is with people in this game just declaring other people to be innocent? They can't be preparing for reveals (false or otherwise), and it doesn't really make sense as hinting either, so what is it?

Originally Posted by Wilwa

There's another possibility. Maybe Sam did choose Lhuna, but Lhuna wasn't the target; Sam was. In that case knowing Same chose Lhuna would really not mean much at all, Lhuna could have still been the one stung the day before, or she could be Shelob.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

If I was Sam I probably would have chosen Lhuna, because a lot of people seemed to think that was a good idea, and I think a lot of people will say they would have chosen Lhuna if they were Sam (which makes me think Shelob did not sting Lhuna, knowing Sam had probably chosen her; therefore Shelob's target was likely Sam himself). So if Sam was the target, then knowing who his chose was isn't really important. That's why to me the whole exercise doesn't seem overly productive.

As I understand it, Sam has had a shot at both healing someone and at protecting someone– not necessarily the same person– in fact probably not. (If I'm wrong about this, could our moddess please clarify?) We know the protection was successful, unless as you say the target was Sam himself. I've been assuming the cure was unsuccessful, or Sally would have said something about it. Though now I think about it, she didn't say, "the stung has been turned", either.

Anyway, I wouldn't be so sure Sam followed phantom's orders. For all you know he might have found the way he was pushing for Lhuna alarming.

[Nerwen]

Okay, really got to vote, and I haven't come up with anything better, so–

++the phantom++

Simply because he's the person most clearly up to something. Of course he always is, and maybe I'm being really unfair, and it's all some brilliant scheme to save the village. About half the village seems to be part of it anyway. However it seems to me that, though the Lhuna scheme did make some sense, having everyone discuss Sam so much was rather in the villains' interests. The Glirdywaggon was a shady-looking vehicle, too.

Well, that's the best I can come up with right now.

Good luck.

EDIT:X'd Lhunatic.