WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It's not "who would you have protected?", it's "who would you have healed?

Heh. One of the main points of my post was to remind everyone of the double role Sam has as both a ranger and a healer, and then I myself use the term "protecting" when I mean "trying to heal someone"... And all that arose from the fact that reading the thread seemed like people were confusing the two roles - and then I do it myself.

But I hope we're all on the same page now with Sam. He's our double-ability precious whom the enemy wants... to lynch! Like wilwa said, Sam can not be turned into a spiderling and thus Shelob needs to get her lynched. So let's not lynch him, or at least be ready to read closely who got him lynhced if that is done. *curses the "no-reveal"-rules*

Anyway. Unless something quite remarkable emerges, I take the preliminary results of phantom's gallup as an indicator that whoever Sam is, he has most probably tried to heal Lhuna aka. we most probably should not lynch her.

So what is our next step then? With three hours to go, maybe we should start trying to find candidates for lynching? I see why some people have been making more or less direct claims against tp but I tend to disagree at this point. Even if he is an arrogant egoist (to put it mildly! ), he seems to be doing good work in this anemic village where more or less everyone seems to hunker down. With one stinging failed by Shelob I think we should see whether his ideas prove benefical in the future as we have at least one more Day to play before Shelob gets her troops together in a mass needed to win.

To think then... (and to watch some ice hockey )

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But I hope we're all on the same page now with Sam. He's our double-ability precious whom the enemy wants... to lynch! Like wilwa said, Sam can not be turned into a spiderling and thus Shelob needs to get her lynched. So let's not lynch him, or at least be ready to read closely who got him lynhced if that is done. *curses the "no-reveal"-rules*

All the more reason for Sam and the Doctor to leave crystal clear clues and trails. I've made sure, on my end of things, you won't have to worry. Now it's just a question of whether Shelob will bite or not. I've missed being risky where I'm at my best.

[the phantom]

Of course Boro could totally be Shelob too, as it would be entirely worth it to fake needing a cure on Day 1 to ensure that his Been-Stung survived to be a Spiderling, and that would also make his next post make sense, pretending as if he didn't know if Shelob was granted a Spiderling or a Been-Stung. He was trying to kill two birds with one stone and hope that people didn't notice the two contradicted?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That's why you've got to watch the tricksy phantom. He's always got some plot going, and the ends of those plots are not always clear.

. . .

And that's how he does it; things others would be suspected for are written off as just phantom being phantom.

That's the thing...my post didn't say that. It said that, if he were Shetom, I think he'd have declared different people innocent. I think he'd have declared people he wanted as future Spiderlings innocent so that no one would question his trust in them. Declaring me innocent wouldn't make sense to a Shetom, because he knows that, judging by past performences, I'm not at all the best person to have in a pack. So I think that his choice in who he declared innocent indicates that this isn't a Shetom plot, but rather an innocent tp's plot.

I don't see what makes either of them particularly innocent. I haven't seen much of Fea. And I can't go along with what Nog said about her subbing for the mysterious Laura being a sign of her likely innocence. That shouldn't be a factor.

They struck me as innocent-er than everyone else. I'm not saying they're definitely innocent. I'm simply saying that, for toDay, I'm going to trust them more than the rest of you, whose innocence I haven't gotten an idea of yet. I start over on my lists every Day, in case of possible Stings, and I haven't even mentioned the Laura thing, so I don't know why you brought that up.

Lottie is coming across as rather quiet and careful. And no songs, still! Worrisome.

And, of course, accusing you. Which has been rather successful in the past, so yeah. I really want to lynch Zil toDay.

EDIT: xed with BomTom and TP

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

plus Lottie by association.

Wait a minute...association with what?

Lhuna is also interesting, as I don't recall her giving any opposition to Phantom's position about her on D1 (although I may prove myself wrong on this when I can check properly), but now she suddenly opposes the notion.

That acutally is a good point. I think Lhuna makes much more sense as a Spiderling than Shena. I wouldn't mind seeing her lynched toDay, either (though Zil is still my favorite candidate. ).

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

That acutally is a good point. I think Lhuna makes much more sense as a Spiderling than Shena

....Arachnid Princess?




Shelob DID make a choice last Night. If she ever doesn't....well, I wouldn't tell you anyway, because that would be nice.


Sam tries to prevent stings in the Night and then, if he was unsuccessful, he has an opportunity to heal them during the next Day. He has two opportunities per victim.

For instance....

Rikae was stung last Night. Pitch (Sam) did not pick her as a protection. During the Day, he heals Lommie, who was never stung. During the Night, he tries to protect Rikae, but she's already been stung, and has no chance of her condition being reversed because Pitch missed his two chances to keep her from being a spawn.



Also, I have to leave in about half an hour to go to a graduation. I'd love for someone to give me a completed vote tally at DL, and I'll trust you all to stop talking at that time. Excellent!

~~Sally~~

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, really got to vote, and I haven't come up with anything better, so–

++the phantom++

Simply because he's the person most clearly up to something. Of course he always is, and maybe I'm being really unfair, and it's all some brilliant scheme to save the village. About half the village seems to be part of it anyway. However it seems to me that, though the Lhuna scheme did make some sense, having everyone discuss Sam so much was rather in the villains' interests. The Glirdywaggon was a shady-looking vehicle, too.

Well, that's the best I can come up with right now.

Hm. Tempting as it might be at times to vote tp due of an inability to work out what he's up to, I don't think he's my choice toDay.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was nodding to the fact that I see what he's trying to do by vehemently declaring Wilwa and Lottie innocent and that I shall let him go about his business, unopposed, because I feel safe to say we want the same thing.

Glad someone feels safe.

Originally Posted by Loslote

That's the thing...my post didn't say that. It said that, if he were Shetom, I think he'd have declared different people innocent. I think he'd have declared people he wanted as future Spiderlings innocent so that no one would question his trust in them. Declaring me innocent wouldn't make sense to a Shetom, because he knows that, judging by past performences, I'm not at all the best person to have in a pack. So I think that his choice in who he declared innocent indicates that this isn't a Shetom plot, but rather an innocent tp's plot.

That seems rather convoluted, lass. Though tp may not be Shelob, I don't think your reason for thinking so is sound. He wouldn't key in on you because you're not successful as a villain?

Originally Posted by Loslote

They struck me as innocent-er than everyone else. I'm not saying they're definitely innocent. I'm simply saying that, for toDay, I'm going to trust them more than the rest of you, whose innocence I haven't gotten an idea of yet. I start over on my lists every Day, in case of possible Stings, and I haven't even mentioned the Laura thing, so I don't know why you brought that up.

No, you didn't say that about Laura, Nog did, a fact that I merely threw in to note my own opinion.

Originally Posted by Loslote

And, of course, accusing you. Which has been rather successful in the past, so yeah. I really want to lynch Zil toDay.

Saying I seemed "off" is accusing me? Nah. You didn't ramp that up until I poked at you a bit.

x/d with the Moddess

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That seems rather convoluted, lass. Though tp may not be Shelob, I don't think your reason for thinking so is sound. He wouldn't key in on you because you're not successful as a villain?

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

Saying I seemed "off" is accusing me? Nah. You didn't ramp that up until I poked at you a bit.

Of course not. You hadn't posted enough for me to make a definitive accusation yet. I've seen enough now to feel very comfortable pointing at you and dancing around while screaming "Spider, Spider, Spider". And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

Or, as I suspect, he was trying to goad Shelob into choosing certain people to sting, thus making Sam's and the Doctor's tasks a bit easier. Now if one of you is Shelob, then he's making a big mistake.

And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them.

Come on Lottie, you know as well as I do that is not solid reasoning. Particularly since there is no seer to worry about, and the Doctor poses no threat to Shelob.

[the phantom]

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks of this post here, as well as this and this which discuss Boro.

In particular- Wilwa & Lottie as I trust them most, Nog & Shasta because I really am anxious to get a feel for them one way or another, and of course Boro as the posts say quite a bit about him.

EDIT: x-post Boro

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

My thinking in being worried about the Declarations was that he might be trying to line up easy Stings - people who he already had a reason for defending and such. An evil tp wouldn't have keyed in on me as a future Spiderling, not when there are other people here who have been incredible wolves before. But an innocent tp has a reason to declare me innocent - he thinks I am.

You give yourself too little credit. Also, an evil tp might sting someone on the basis of that person being thought an unusual choice. It looked to me like you were reaching for something you could point to that would indicate you were innocent. Actual innocents don't normally feel the need to do that.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Of course not. You hadn't posted enough for me to make a definitive accusation yet. I've seen enough now to feel very comfortable pointing at you and dancing around while screaming "Spider, Spider, Spider". And I'm not the one who starting accusing someone when they started poking at them.

"Haven't posted enough"? Give the pot my regards, Miss Kettle.
And point away, if you like.

x/d with all since # 206

[Nogrod]

I do agree with Lottie that Shelob would like to pick people with "staying power" aka those who tend to stay alive a long time. And Lottie sure isn't one of those people... She could be Shelob, of course, but I wouldn't bet on that for now.

And yes, I said Fea most probably is not Shelob with all that hassle about who is Laura1234567 (whatever).

Interesting "clarification" by Sally: I'm not dure if she made it clearer... I thought I understood the rule but I'm not so sure anymore... Why do you talk of "two per victim"? Does it mean that Sam has two tries per individual persons on the level of the whole game? Like Pitch tried to ranger Rikae on N2 and tried to heal her on d3 so after that no more tries on Rikae?

I think it is not that way. It must be the straightforward way: Sam rangers everyNight + can heal someone during the "incubation period" of every Night's stinging (aka the next Day or Night - as the person stinged turns into a spiderling after a Day and a Night has passed).


Sorry about the inactivity, but the ice hockey game is actully pretty interesting (Finland is down 0-1 - and itäs about who goes forwards)