WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

The law of all good things coming to an end...?

That thought passed my mind... But if it comes to that, we must end with a bang and not with a whimper.

[Nerwen]

I think it's just that everyone's busy.

[Nerwen]

Also, you know, we've probably got out of the swing of WW just because of that two-months pause.

[Nogrod]

It maybe that me and tp have been parties to the lynchings because we have been around at the DL.

But I think you should also remember that in this game a tie means that no one is lynched and our only way to get Shelob is to lynch her. Therefore there is more pressure in the end not to spread the votes too much. Especially as the voting has been a bit erratic (people don't talk about their preferences and one never knows how many will not vote any given Day).

I can't speak of any specific reasons on behalf of tp but I can tell you mine (which are actually in the thread already on both Days).

What comes to D1 Glirdan, he was one of the only people I had even a slight reason to vote (that exchange between him and Lottie). I was to be sure a bit more worried about those very careful players who said little or nothing but there was no way in deciding between them. In the end of the Day no one was coming forth with any ideas and the votes were spread between five different people. So when tp and Boro said they could vote for Glirdy it sounded like the best bet. It would both secure someone is lynched (we get a go for Shelob) and I could vote him with good conscience as I had a reason for voting him (even if slight - and as it turned out, wrong).

I was pretty uneasy with Bom quite early on as s/he felt like s/he had orders to go after me (like a spiderling might have had). This game is based on suspecting others, but when you suspect others, you should make even remotely reasonable points - or then say you have a gut feeling. Bom was looking like relatively cognizant of the game and us players (well taught during the Nights) but only gave more or less bogus suspicions. Also her/his last post looked suspicious. So when I found out others were willing to vote her/him too, I must say I wasn't too sad about it. Alas, wrong again, but again in good faith.

Okay, I have voted for an innocent two times in a row. But as we have only one baddie (or possibly two yesterDay), that isn't anything out of what is probable. Looking at the maths, most of us have thus far only voted for innocents... it's that only those which end up lynching someone are verified.

Someone asked about Lhuna as well. I thought our best theory about the first stinged one was Lhuna (not a strong case but the only one I thought could be argued for even slightly). And it seemed most others shared the view. Ergo: the possibility that Sam had tried to use his healing-powers on Lhuna were quite good - so we should not lynch her as she would have been most likely "clean" (unless Shelob took a really cool step and stinged her only on N2).

If we have good reason to believe Sam has tried to heal person X the previous Night, we don't go on lynching that person X, right?

Having a "working hypothesis" of Lhuna being the stinged one of course meant she couldn't be Shelob at the same time. She can of course be Shelob, but thus far I have no special reason to believe that she is (more than of anyone else), but the possibility she was the stinged & healed one being presented I saw better odds for us if she was not lynched. Does that make sense?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

However in effort to be mildly useful, it only seems fair to tell you not to bother lynching me. Savvy?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

However in effort to be mildly useful, it only seems fair to tell you not to bother lynching me. Savvy?

Oh, I see. You're definitely not a villain, then?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, I see. You're definitely not a villain, then?

Wasn't last time I checked.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Amusing the Moddess? I hear somebody (Fea?) ran a truly sadistic game like that in the days of yore.

Pretty sure the most sadistic game I ever ran was when I wouldn't tell anybody (alive or dead) what roles people had until the village had killed all but one. But that game wasn't about good versus evil, it was about last man standing. I just failed to explain that to people because it would have ruined the purity of the votes.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

In case anyone's missed it in the Admin thread– Boro is dropping out.

I hate to hear that. Makes me wish I'd voted for him yesterDay after all. It would have helped him out, and we'd still have an innocent Bom.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

The law of all good things coming to an end...?

Nah. Like Nerwen said, it's apparently just been a really busy time for everyone since the start of the year.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I shall likely continue to banter, as that was part of the condition of my employ. Mischief. ("Will you play?" "Can I be insane?")

More insane than usual?

x/d with Nerwen

[Nogrod]

I need to leave for a while but I will give you my take on people later toDay (Greenie is coming to my place to watch the American Idol ).

But let me throw a few thoughts to think about meanwhile - and please let's discuss a bit more toDay, please. This is a bit frustrating.


I really don't like saying this once again (and I'm not too happy to trigger the same discussion again), but I think I need to say it anyway. There are so many silent partners here in this game, any open suspicions have been very rare, people are too careful to let their opinions known... Add to that that we have only one (or two) baddies among us, the current state of affairs is plain against our interests as Shelob's best strategy in this kind of an envirovment would be to hunker down and hide among the majority of careful players.

I said that on D1 already and now on D3 the message is even more urgent. Let's play toDay. and I do not mean quantity, but quality, aka. saying what we think about people, of many people, and not narrowing it carefully down to say that you tend to think one person is okay and one might be suspicious-looking but then again maybe not so much... leaving all the others without a mention.

In this vein I actually dare to take on a "phantom-mode" and suggest we all promise toDay to make a list of all people, and promise to name at least two people we suspect - and why we do it.

Originally Posted by Lhuna

We have one Shelob, one spawn, and one stung now, and eight players all in all.

Wait a minute!

I thought it was more or less undecided which interpretation of the general rules Sally took or do we learn if Sam manages to heal someone, but what really blew me was that we only have 8 players left... Really? *checked, true*

Okay. The Doc can check people and we need to lynch any checked stinged one now (unless the Doc also learns when the stinging has taken place when we could trust on Sam to try to heal someone stinged the Night before). Also Sam has both the ability to block a stinging and to heal someone. As the number of players drop down his chances of success grow.

But the nasty fact is, that if we lynch more innocents and no rangering or healing takes place (and Lhuna's numbers are correct), we'll have toMorrow Shelob + two spiderlings against one stinged and three other innocents. Then lynching an innocent (even the stinged one) toMorrow means we lose.

Oh wait... didn't the number of the baddies need to outnumber the innocents this time? *checked, right they have to* Okay that gives us one more chance, although if a stinged one is not healed the lobber-gang will win.

Uh... Need to go now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay. The Doc can check people and we need to lynch any checked stinged one now (unless the Doc also learns when the stinging has taken place when we could trust on Sam to try to heal someone stinged the Night before).

The Doctor can't reveal, Nog.

EDIT:X'd with Fea.

[Nerwen]

Oh, so it was you, Fea.

EDIT:X'd with Nog

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The Doctor can't reveal, Nog.

Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...

I wouldn't say pointless– he can push to get stung people lynched, and maybe deduce who Shelob is. But it's not like a normal Seer.

And I agree Boro was hinting like mad yesterDay, but who knows what that was really about?

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Right... Quite a pointless role then? Maybe that's why I didn't come to think about it...

That's what I said. *points up*

So, my 2 biggest suspects toDay:

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.

Now that I think about it, wouldn't a more important question to ask at that time be "If you were Shelob, who would you sting?" Okay, so I am of the opinion that it's better to try hunting for Shelob herself than one of her spawn, but at least it gives us lynch candidates, which would probably be more helpful, instead of non-lynch candidates, which is what the Sam question kind of gave us.

Or I am making sense out of absolutely nothing that has happened in the past couple of Days.

2. Lottie
There's just something about her that makes me feel uneasy. Sure, she drew herself out a bit more when she started going after Zil so heavily, but it's still not enough to make people look at her, like there's still a sense of being careful about it. Okay, I admit this one's more of a gut feel but really, what else do we have to go on?

My minor suspects are Shasta also because he feels stealthy, and Noggie because of the bandwagon thing.

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Lhunardawen]

Also, I am wary of Zil because for some reason I'm starting to trust him, and I don't trust myself to trust people.