translation help - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

almiel · 08-13-2011, 10:11 AM

Ahh, thank you so much. The grammar was one reason I wanted to check, since I knew it was more complicated than Sindarin.

Follow up inquiry - rendering these into Tengwar. There's an online generator, but I'm not sure if it's correct. This is what it made for both:

Thank you for your help so far.

Galin · 08-13-2011, 12:21 PM

While examples are scarce enough, and if ea is wanted anyway, a form in Namárie suggests that the genitive marker displaces final -a, as there we find Vardo for instance, rather than *Vardao.

I can't recall at the moment if other examples exist where -a is retained.

Pitchwife · 08-13-2011, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galin

While examples are scarce enough, and if ea is wanted anyway, a form in Namárie suggests that the genitive marker displaces final -a, as there we find Vardo for instance, rather than *Vardao.

I can't recall at the moment if other examples exist where -a is retained.

Methinks you're right - I was misled by Oiolossëo, where the final vowel is retained before the ending, but that's probably because e and o (unlike a and o) are dissimilar enough not to make the resulting cluster too uncouth. We also have in Namárië the form Calaciryo, genitive of Calacirya, so that looks like a rule - which leaves us with hína Eö.

almiel · 08-13-2011, 11:19 PM

Ahh that makes sense, Galin. What would you (either of you, or anyone else, lol) recommend for the Tengwar script then? (I am more than way too rusty on transcribing.)

Galin · 08-15-2011, 07:54 AM

Well I'm no expert, but your second example is almost how I would write hína eo, and by 'almost' I mean take out the carrier for the vowel a (along with the vowel of course), but leave the rest -- hína e[a]o -- and pick a font you find pleasing.

That still leaves you with two vowel carriers for eo, but I'm not sure how else to write this (as it's not a diphthong) if it's the correct form for 'of the universe'.

That is, I'm not sure how else to write it if one necessarily finds two carriers less pleasing to the eye.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

08-13-2011, 10:11 AM	#1
almiel Newly Deceased Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5	Ahh, thank you so much. The grammar was one reason I wanted to check, since I knew it was more complicated than Sindarin. Follow up inquiry - rendering these into Tengwar. There's an online generator, but I'm not sure if it's correct. This is what it made for both: Thank you for your help so far.

08-13-2011, 12:21 PM	#2
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	While examples are scarce enough, and if ea is wanted anyway, a form in Namárie suggests that the genitive marker displaces final -a, as there we find Vardo for instance, rather than *Vardao. I can't recall at the moment if other examples exist where -a is retained.

08-13-2011, 11:19 PM	#4
almiel Newly Deceased Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5	Ahh that makes sense, Galin. What would you (either of you, or anyone else, lol) recommend for the Tengwar script then? (I am more than way too rusty on transcribing.)

08-15-2011, 07:54 AM	#5
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	Well I'm no expert, but your second example is almost how I would write hína eo, and by 'almost' I mean take out the carrier for the vowel a (along with the vowel of course), but leave the rest -- hína e[a]o -- and pick a font you find pleasing. That still leaves you with two vowel carriers for eo, but I'm not sure how else to write this (as it's not a diphthong) if it's the correct form for 'of the universe'. That is, I'm not sure how else to write it if one necessarily finds two carriers less pleasing to the eye.