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Pitchwife · 08-19-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, Pitch, I saw you flung out some wild accusations yesterDay– after I left and said I might not be back again, by the way–

Yes. That was one reason I voted G55 and not you.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I've been trying to be absolutely fair and not let that prejudice me against you toDay–

In other words, you haven't pushed Rikae-as-KD and used it to accuse me outright, because that might have looked like you had something to gain from framing me; you've just collected her possible KD-hints, surrounding them with a lot of question-marks and could-be's, and left it to the village to draw the conclusions. So far it seems to work.

If I'm a Forger and either G55 or Rikae was the KD, why did both of them accuse me yesterDay? And what do you make of this?

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Originally Posted by Rikae

G55, you do realize being lynched by day is no longer much help, right? Or is it?

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 09:49 AM

Okay, time to make sure we have this in hand.

Q: If Rikae was the KD, who is innocent?
A: She defended Gal55.
Q: Was she correct?
A: No.

Q: If Rikae was the KD, which dwarf do we lynch?
A: Pitch.
Q: Why only one person? Aren't there two more forgers?
A: Um....

Okay, so let's be serious here- I didn't say any of this earlier because I wanted to see which direction all of you tried to go with things, but be honest- the only way Rikae was the KD was if the KD was under special instructions from the Moddess not to go after all the Forgers and even defend one or two of them.

If we work under the assumption that she wasn't thet KD, what then is the logic for her kill?

1) It's a terribly devious and shocking plot that we can't understand at this point that will somehow lead to victory for the Forge.
***or****
2) The Forge lost two members in the first two days and it knew it would lose another today if they didn't do something insane at night, plus Rikae was feeling a bit disgusted with the situation and was happy to be killed in the desperate gamble.

(In case you weren't aware, I'm getting at option #2 making the most sense.)

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 10:03 AM

Nerwen & Pitch are tied at 3.

Yet to vote- Eruhen, Sally, Mith, and Phantom.

Finduilas · 08-19-2011, 10:40 AM

There seems to be a thought that Pitchwife, if he is the KD, deserved modfiring. He has not said anything to deserve modfiring, I believe, he has merely pointed out one Forge after another. This, I think, may be a bit foolhardy as a KD, but it isn't cheating. He never said anything like "I know for certain that these people are Forges" "Trust me, I have inside information" or anything of that sort. He always, when he gave reasons for his vote, used their comments on the thread. So, he isn't necessarily the KD (though I think he is, as I don't think that he is a forge member), but even if he is, I don't think he cheated. So, we can't take the fact that he hasn't been Modfired as proof that he isn't the KD.

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 10:59 AM

Findu- really, don't talk about that, and especially not so directly! If you think you have spotted the KD why say it? That is what begs modfire more than anything.

If I write in a code where every 27th letter of my posts spells out- "I am KD, please lynch person X" have I revealed? No, not if no one sees it.

If I do the same but two Ordos see it and follow it, have I revealed? No, not if they don't say anything to alert the rest of the village and Mod.

If I do the same but two Ordos talk too much about it and soon my role is an accepted fact, have I revealed? Darn right, I have.

However wrong it sounds logically, revealing is as much a function of reaction by the reader as it is action by the revealer.

Eruhen · 08-19-2011, 10:42 AM

Still not at home yet, but at least I have internet access. I don't have time to post my thoughts now, but if I get home with enough time before DL, I plan on it.

For now, though...

++Nerwen

Mithalwen · 08-19-2011, 10:59 AM

Eh? I am clearly missing something.... off too look.... is this a fishing expedition or are you serious? I always have a background level of suspicion of Nerwen because she is so clever but frankly there are at least six people I find more suspicious and four of them have voted for her so far.....

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Boro

but don't let phantom convince you I will make some miraculous return to save and prove some genius plan of his. I won't and if he tries that one again, he should probably be lynched.

*snicker*

It is I, Phantom, your secret village Seer! Folwren decided to have a Seer in this game but not tell anyone. And on Night 1 I discovered Boro was in fact a trusty WerePenguin!

If only he were here to prove me correct...

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 11:09 AM

Anyway, could Mith & Sally please go ahead and vote for Nerwen, and could Boro and McCaber if they're around change their votes.

Because frankly I'd rather that my vote not be needed so that I can cast another joke-vote on Pitch.

08-19-2011, 10:03 AM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Nerwen & Pitch are tied at 3. Yet to vote- Eruhen, Sally, Mith, and Phantom. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 10:40 AM	#4
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	There seems to be a thought that Pitchwife, if he is the KD, deserved modfiring. He has not said anything to deserve modfiring, I believe, he has merely pointed out one Forge after another. This, I think, may be a bit foolhardy as a KD, but it isn't cheating. He never said anything like "I know for certain that these people are Forges" "Trust me, I have inside information" or anything of that sort. He always, when he gave reasons for his vote, used their comments on the thread. So, he isn't necessarily the KD (though I think he is, as I don't think that he is a forge member), but even if he is, I don't think he cheated. So, we can't take the fact that he hasn't been Modfired as proof that he isn't the KD. __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

08-19-2011, 10:59 AM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Findu- really, don't talk about that, and especially not so directly! If you think you have spotted the KD why say it? That is what begs modfire more than anything. If I write in a code where every 27th letter of my posts spells out- "I am KD, please lynch person X" have I revealed? No, not if no one sees it. If I do the same but two Ordos see it and follow it, have I revealed? No, not if they don't say anything to alert the rest of the village and Mod. If I do the same but two Ordos talk too much about it and soon my role is an accepted fact, have I revealed? Darn right, I have. However wrong it sounds logically, revealing is as much a function of reaction by the reader as it is action by the revealer. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 10:42 AM	#6
Eruhen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: At the Mountains of Madness Posts: 399	Still not at home yet, but at least I have internet access. I don't have time to post my thoughts now, but if I get home with enough time before DL, I plan on it. For now, though... ++Nerwen __________________ Agannâlô burôda nênud; zâira nênud. Adûn izindi batân tâidô ayadda: îdô kâtha batîna lôkhî. Êphalak îdôn Yôzâyan. Êphal êphalak îdôn hi-Akallabêth.

08-19-2011, 10:59 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Eh? I am clearly missing something.... off too look.... is this a fishing expedition or are you serious? I always have a background level of suspicion of Nerwen because she is so clever but frankly there are at least six people I find more suspicious and four of them have voted for her so far..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-19-2011, 09:49 AM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay, time to make sure we have this in hand. Q: If Rikae was the KD, who is innocent? A: She defended Gal55. Q: Was she correct? A: No. Q: If Rikae was the KD, which dwarf do we lynch? A: Pitch. Q: Why only one person? Aren't there two more forgers? A: Um.... Okay, so let's be serious here- I didn't say any of this earlier because I wanted to see which direction all of you tried to go with things, but be honest- the only way Rikae was the KD was if the KD was under special instructions from the Moddess not to go after all the Forgers and even defend one or two of them. If we work under the assumption that she wasn't thet KD, what then is the logic for her kill? 1) It's a terribly devious and shocking plot that we can't understand at this point that will somehow lead to victory for the Forge. *or 2) The Forge lost two members in the first two days and it knew it would lose another today if they didn't do something insane at night, plus Rikae was feeling a bit disgusted with the situation and was happy to be killed in the desperate gamble. (In case you weren't aware, I'm getting at option #2 making the most sense.) __________________ the phantom** has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 11:09 AM	#9
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Anyway, could Mith & Sally please go ahead and vote for Nerwen, and could Boro and McCaber if they're around change their votes. Because frankly I'd rather that my vote not be needed so that I can cast another joke-vote on Pitch. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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