WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[Bom Tombadillo]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It might help to hear what you think of the rest of this caravan. (And don't give me none of that "It's Day 1, too early to say" crap.)

Umm. You're really the only one giving me anything to go on, so I'm afraid I really have no choice but to give you the "too early to say" line.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

If you have a more pointful debate to suggest, I'm all ears. Until then, may I remark that "neither defending nor accusing", but hovering over the field like a dove with the olive branch of peace in her beak would be quite a convenient position for a wolf, wouldn't it?

That sort of thing is exactly what I meant when I mentioned you being vicious - she tries to stop a seemingly pointless fight and you think it means she's a wolf. After all, that sort of argument can be applied to literally anybody, since any indication of innocence can be passed off as a wolf deliberately acting that way. You're going after people - you must be a wolf trying to focus the village's attention on somebody else. I'm making jokes - it must be a way of avoiding saying anything that could be incriminating. Laeko, Azura, Greenie, Kath and Kitanna are being quiet and Sally is making jokes - see above. And so on and so on until you've pointed the figurative finger at everybody in the village.

[Kath]

Ahem, not to give credence to Boro but ... yeah so I said hi, started planning, and forgot about this til now.

I need to vote in this post and head to bed. As I said, won't vote for a newbie. I'm also not going to vote for a non-turner-upper for a couple of reasons. 1) If we have modfire (do we?) and they don't turn up toMorrow as well it's a waste of a vote. 2) It would be deeply hypocritical.

So, who has posted?

Inzil - a loudmouth with some good discussion points! Like it.

Nerwen - pass given she's only posted, what, once?

Legate - got some good discussion started on the possible tactics of the wolves. No solid answers of course but it did get people talking.

Boro - pretty aggressive towards Greenie. Day 1s do get people riled up but sickness is sickness. If she's hallucinating words on the screen it's time to head to bed!

Greenie - speaking of, pass for toDay given what I said above.

Bom - see Galadriel.

Pitch - not quite sure where the 'harping on' discussion came from but it did get a reaction which may have been the aim.

Galadriel - kind of with her on the Bom joke scandal. Maybe it's due to missing games recently but I didn't even pay attention to these so-called jokes. They were just random nonsense to me, as is nearly everything sally has said so far. Why isn't she being suspected? Just history? 'Cause if so, could be time to let it go.

Elf Warrior - like the point about the wolves, not so keen on the point about Legate. To me he was starting discussion not stating fact.

Based on that I'm going to vote:

++sally

I feel she's a player that shows her mettle better under a bit of pressure. I know she's got the brains. Let's see 'em!

And goodnight.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

That sort of thing is exactly what I meant when I mentioned you being vicious - she tries to stop a seemingly pointless fight and you think it means she's a wolf. After all, that sort of argument can be applied to literally anybody, since any indication of innocence can be passed off as a wolf deliberately acting that way. You're going after people - you must be a wolf trying to focus the village's attention on somebody else. I'm making jokes - it must be a way of avoiding saying anything that could be incriminating. Laeko, Azura, Greenie, Kath and Kitanna are being quiet and Sally is making jokes - see above. And so on and so on until you've pointed the figurative finger at everybody in the village.

Bom, you're probably not aware of this, as we haven't played that much together, but my nickname among the WW crowd is Mr Agreeable, and it wasn't given for nothing. In the past, I've regularly been suspected for being too, well, agreeable, being too noncommittal, not suspecting people in earnest etc.pp. It's happened when I was a wolf, and it's happened when I was innocent, and I've got tired of it, so I'm trying my damnedest to break the habit. Which means if I see somebody doing/saying something that I think could be wolvish, I'm going to point it out and pester them about it until I get a satisfying reaction. If I shrugged it all off as just their respective playing style, we'd never get anywhere, would we?

Anyway, thanks for your answer. For what it's worth, I think you've removed yourself from my list of eligible votees for toDay.


EDIT: x-ed with Kath.

[Pitchwife]

I'm kinda torn about Kath's vote - meaning I see where she's coming from, but I'd rather give sally the benefit of doubt for toDay.

Speaking of votes, it's past sensible bedtime for me. I'd like to see more of Zil, Kath, Greenie and Nerwen, Boro looks rather innocent to me, as does *surprise surprise* Bom after his last reply to me, and I'm not going to vote for our newbies nor for anyone who hasn't spoken yet but yet may, but I don't like G55's "I'm so beyond your pointless debates" attitude, so:

++Galwurstiel55

Good night, and as always, á vala Manwë.

(x-ed with Boro)

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

That sort of thing is exactly what I meant when I mentioned you being vicious - she tries to stop a seemingly pointless fight and you think it means she's a wolf. After all, that sort of argument can be applied to literally anybody, since any indication of innocence can be passed off as a wolf deliberately acting that way. You're going after people - you must be a wolf trying to focus the village's attention on somebody else. I'm making jokes - it must be a way of avoiding saying anything that could be incriminating. Laeko, Azura, Greenie, Kath and Kitanna are being quiet and Sally is making jokes - see above. And so on and so on until you've pointed the figurative finger at everybody in the village.

Well, actually, I'm pretty suspicious of G55's first post too.

Firstly, it seems to be she's the one trying to make a bigger deal out of an argument between you and Pitch. My problem so far today has been there really is no reaction to anything, let alone over-reacting. What Pitch said about your suspicions nad what you said back is perhaps the most tame disagreement possible in WW.

But then G55 steps in, says several people are over reacting to a pointless debate, reaches the conclusion it's all pointless but she'll watch everyone involved and look what happened next, you and Pitch ramp up the argument.

I would have said no one "over reacted" until possibly my edit pleading for at least a vote from Greenie, or until the recent exchange between you and Pitch. Which seems provoked, even with G55's attempt to say the whole argument was pointless.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pitch

*noise of world view being shattered*

I mean, well, gosh, the next thing you know, I'll manage to vote for somebody on Day One! *sound of entire universe imploding*

...back when I've finished reading.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nooo! I had such a nice post and my stupid internet decided to get off just as I posted it. Okay, but fortunately, it did not include much information. I will make a brief summary:

Legate - iz me
Sally - typical joky-sally, nothing much to gather from that this far, so let's wait if there appears something giving a more coherent picture in the future.
Inzil - good old Zil seems like good? old Zil, nothing standing out this far
Greenie - seemingly tired today, but actually the point she brought about it being difficult for people to hide more extreme relationships in both directions (i.e. being too nice or too against to each other) was probably one of the more important things said today. I surely wouldn't put it past her to say such a thing as a Wolf, but for now, I'm giving her pass.
Kath - actually very sensible, rather innocentish feeling (which is interesting, since I usually can't read her - or it at least used to be that way - now should I be worried? Then again, that used to happen regardless of what her role was.) - green light for now.
Kitanna - no show
Bom - all the buzz made me reread his posts carefully, and after rereading them, I very much think him innocent (even though I don't like people posting too much only jokes etc, but that has often nothing to do with Wolfiness/innocence).
Pitch - his original attack on Bom made me pause about him, but then again, if his later explanation of his "not trying to be just Mr. Agreeable" tactic was genuine, it would make sense. So unless it was a double-trick or a double-double trick or...
Nerwen - hmm, nothing much to read from what she said
G55 - is here, seems, how do you call it, involved; nothing suspicious this far.
The Elf-Warrior - regarding the wolvish vibe thing, have you ever heard of optimism being half the victory? Anyway, otherwise, the post does not say very much, maybe just a remark, why not saying more about other players who were more active (all those Pitches, Boms, Boros, whatnot)?
Boro - originally made me feel uncomfortable with his all the time prodding people, but then I remembered that this is actually a typical innocent Boro. So, I am fine with him, as long as he keeps it that way, and not a fake...
Azura - nothing
Laeko_Rundalis - one IC post, nothing much to go with


So, I at least know whom I am not going to vote. Also, upholding the ancient tradition, I won't vote for either of the newbies. A random question then: when exactly is the DL? Somewhat messy, the first post is (in other words: wondering if I should vote now or if I can still sleep and vote then).

Also sorry for my not much participation earlier today, but this has been a messy-timetable-day for me too.

EDIT: and x-ed with Pitchwife, Boro and Nerwen.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

A random question then: when exactly is the DL? Somewhat messy, the first post is (in other words: wondering if I should vote now or if I can still sleep and vote then).

Midnight CST. I don't know what that is for you, but it should be 5 hours from now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Midnight CST. I don't know what that is for you, but it should be 5 hours from now.

Okay, should go normally by the timestamp then. I just wasn't sure. That means however voting for me now.

Well, who is left, then: some people of whom I don't have a clear opinion (Sally, Zil, Nerwen, G55), one of whom I have some thoughts but still would be able to vote him, if it came to that (Pitch), one no-show (Kitanna) and one vote which would seem awfully retaliatory (Elf-Warrior, even though in fact there hasn't been that much to retaliate to either). I could probably go for that one, even, because it is the same as with the others, plus there is the thing I said earlier: why to talk about people who have hardly posted (especially of Laeko who posted only IC) if there are others who had been posting much more? But EW does not have time to explain it now, so it's difficult. And again, looking at it, he said these were "random thoughts", so... ah well.

Okay. Hanging around for a couple of minutes still, and then we shall see...

[Kitanna]

I honestly forgot the Day had started. I thought about it five minutes ago. I'm rushing to catch up and take care of RL stuff at the same time. I'll return in...half an hourish with comments.

[Inziladun]

Today has ended up being quite a bit busier than I'd hoped. I'm finally home now, but with only about an hour and a half before bedtime. 0515 comes awfully early.

I certainly won't held it against Greenie for being ill, so I'll not vote for her. Same with the newbies, Laeko_Rundalis and Azura, who get the standard Day 1 pass. Both need to pick it up though. That pass is only valid for one Day.

I see Pitch and Bom have continued their back-and-forth. Not sure exactly what to make of it, except that it doesn't have the feel of wolf-on-wolf. Pitch was looking slightly better, but now I need to think about his vote.
Bom looks pretty much like Bom, which really doesn't tell me anything.

And I have to echo the at the fact that Kath not only posted on a Day 1, but actually voted. The flying pigs ought to be around momentarily.

Also, we have votes, I think.

Kath-->Sally (1)
Pitch-->G55 (1)

I'm too tired to make a list, but back in a bit.

[The Elf-warrior]

Actually, Legate, I had and still have time. I was trying to prod you with my remark and your responses seem unwolvish to me. In response to your question, it's easier to make comments about people who haven't said much.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Actually, Legate, I had and still have time. I was trying to prod you with my remark and your responses seem unwolvish to me. In response to your question, it's easier to make comments about people who haven't said much.

Fair enough. But now, since you say you have time, couldn't you also use it to say something about those who have said more?

I could basically now vote just as well for Zil - I am not sure, his last post made me somehow unsure about him. In fact, Nerwen with the last one could be also just as well trying to cast suspicion at Pitch, for example, if I were to go for that. I could still vote basically anybody of those, it is all about equally strong suspicion (that means, nothing much in general, but I have to choose somebody).

But I think I could vote Elf-warrior in the end - maybe also it could be used as a "warning vote", if nothing else, to underline my point: if you say that it is easier to make comments about people who haven't said much, yes, maybe, but that actually sounds like ignoring them (if you don't post anything about them, at least a sentence, or a yes/no note!). It is not such a big deal to make comments about people who have said a lot, it is more a problem to read their posts, isn't it? And I certainly hope you are trying to at least read everyone's posts, at least briefly.

Therefore,

++Elf-warrior

[The Elf-warrior]

I've reread the thread and this statement by Inziladun looks to me like a possible wolf to wolf communication "As for as wolvish tactics, I don't think anything could be ruled out. I wouldn't think wolf-on-wolf would be necessary, but who knows?"

I'm inclined to believe Pitchwife's explanation that he was trying to stop being Mr. Agreeable. However, that could be true and he could be a werewolf at the same time. Bom feels innocent to me. He seems to have the right amount of understanding how his statements could be construed as suspicious.

Greenie seems innocent. Besides, she's sick so I'm not voting for her. In regards to Kitanna, I'm inclined to think missing most of the day by accident is a mistake an innocent would make. Later, I'm going to review Boromir and Galadriel55's posts. Stay tuned.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Bom - all the buzz made me reread his posts carefully, and after rereading them, I very much think him innocent (even though I don't like people posting too much only jokes etc, but that has often nothing to do with Wolfiness/innocence).
Pitch - his original attack on Bom made me pause about him, but then again, if his later explanation of his "not trying to be just Mr. Agreeable" tactic was genuine, it would make sense. So unless it was a double-trick or a double-double trick or...

Thing is, on previous showing, Bom is a very easy target. (Hope you don't mind my saying that, Bom.) Pitch knows this well, even if you don't– which does make me wonder about him, yes it does. And then, his switching to G55, also a novice player with a bit of a history of attracting suspicion– hmmn.

On the other hand, his cases on both of them were sound enough, by Day One standards– and someone had to get the ball rolling...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

You're going after people - you must be a wolf trying to focus the village's attention on somebody else.

But must he?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Might that have something to do with the fact that we're the only ones who've voiced any concrete suspicions?

I think it has everything to do with that. It's just that - especially you and Bom - have been voicing them quite loudly. Which might be the reason I look at you and not anyone else.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Bom, you're probably not aware of this, as we haven't played that much together, but my nickname among the WW crowd is Mr Agreeable, and it wasn't given for nothing. In the past, I've regularly been suspected for being too, well, agreeable, being too noncommittal, not suspecting people in earnest etc.pp. It's happened when I was a wolf, and it's happened when I was innocent, and I've got tired of it, so I'm trying my damnedest to break the habit. Which means if I see somebody doing/saying something that I think could be wolvish, I'm going to point it out and pester them about it until I get a satisfying reaction. If I shrugged it all off as just their respective playing style, we'd never get anywhere, would we?

Anyway, thanks for your answer. For what it's worth, I think you've removed yourself from my list of eligible votees for toDay.

I'll take that for now, but it's a near one. I could equally see this as a smooth way out of a tricky situation... hmmmm.....

(But really, before I disappeared, I was about to post about you being Mr Disagreeable this game, before I was called away from the computer for a couple hours)

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

++Galwurstiel55

Whatever your role you get a cake of lembas for coming up with the most ridiculous sounding name yet with a "55" in the end.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

In response to your question, it's easier to make comments about people who haven't said much.

I don't see how that works... It really doesn't make any sense to me...


My list of opinions comming up.

Edit: xed with Nerwen and Legate

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate

In fact, Nerwen with the last one could be also just as well trying to cast suspicion at Pitch, for example, if I were to go for that.

I was pointing out his perhaps opportunistic choice of targets– so yes, I suppose that's "casting suspicion". Is that a problem?

Originally Posted by G55

I don't see how that works... It really doesn't make any sense to me...

Less material = quicker analysis. It's easier, but lazier. And generally less useful, since mostly you're just pointing out what anyone else could see at a glance.

EDIT:X'd with Kit.

[Inziladun]

New vote, I see.

Kath-->Sally
Pitch-->G55
Legate-->TEW (1)

Kath's vote seems a bit odd, true, but I can posit an innocent reason behind it, as well as the obvious evil throwaway potential.

The way Pitch latched onto G55 as soon as she appeared is a bit jarring. Would an evil Pitch be so obvious, though?

And Legate Voting TEW as a "warning vote". I get his point about TEW, but that seems like a rather extreme "warning".

Meh. I apologize for being useless toDay. If I'm around, I'll do my best to make it up Day 2.

There was the accusation of me "harping' about the guide being partly responsible for our predicament (which I mentioned in only two halfhearted IC posts). Then his interactions with Bom, followed by the sudden switching of targets to G55.

++Pitch

Good night, all.

x/d with TEW