WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Our beloved Shasta is dead, and these horrible villains could come after any one of us next. How will we cope?

Cake, lots of cake.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I wouldn't think wolf-on-wolf would be necessary, but who knows?

Could be crazy enough to work though, depends on the wolves.

Originally Posted by Laeko

"The question, then, is who, or what, did this?"

Was it you?

Originally Posted by Boro

I think I know the reference, Game of Thrones? And she better not be acting like Sansa.

Rage against GoT RAGE!

Originally Posted by Bom

Shield? A shield for what? I promise I have nothing to hide. But it's either joke or say nothing (or make obvious observations about the rules), and joking is more interesting.

Although I suppose my jokes are a bit more than that - I've noticed that those who overreact to them tend to have something to hide. *cough*Pitchwife*cough*

I find the back and forth between Pitch, Boro, and Bom interesting, for reasons I have yet to decide on.
Boro:

I know enough by now to know you're always joking on Day 1. But that is itself the point. No matter what, you're going to use your jokes as a shield. So, really, I don't think Pitch was missing the point. I will grant that your jokes and reasons, I did actually laugh at this time.

Pitch:

it may have been a joke, or it may have been something to build on later, as long as nobody checked. Without being able to look into your head, how am I supposed to know?

These three posts are what jumped out at me.
In regards to what Boro said about Bom using jokes as a shield I think that can be said for most everyone on Day 1. I thought it was interesting Boro brought up only Bom.
I like the point Pitch made, but not because it was directed at Bom, but I think that's a good thing to keep in mind in general. Any one of these banter/ silly accusations could be easily forgotten and then built on later for good or evil. It's a stretch, but some banter shouldn't be completely discarded.

What I've seen as most interesting is Bom's defense of his jokes over the course of a few of his posts. (15 & 20 mostly). That seemed fishy to me. I shouldn't be too quick to judge though, he's not the only one to keep bringing up the joke posts. Inzil, Boro, and Pitch made more than one mention of it as well.

It seems like too easy a target to jump on. I guess at least it's circulating conversation...

Originally Posted by Pitch

Good point. So what is it with you playing Sansa and the Fool with Boro?
(And OT, doesn't being threatened by wolves make you more like a Lannister?)

Gods, I must leave the game over GoT, I swear I will. *puts fingers in ears...er eyes*

Originally Posted by Bom

@Pitchwife: Mainly because you're so horribly vicious. It seems like you're overly eager to divert suspicion away from yourself.

I know I came late and time is short, but you explain why he's so vicious?

Originally Posted by G55

Note that I'm neither defending nor accusing any one of these people. At least not yet. I'm just saying how pointless this debate is. (And how hypocritical is that - just adding to it? )

I read this post after making my above observations. I feel much the same way.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Like where, when? Because I 'overreacted' to your alleged jokes and tried to coax some sense out of you?
Look, Bom, if you're innocent, I'd hate to get into a fight with you over your playing style and give the wolves something to latch on to, but you're not making it particularly easy for me not to. It might help to hear what you think of the rest of this caravan. (And don't give me none of that "It's Day 1, too early to say" crap.)

I would like an explanation from Bom as well, but this seems like Pitchie got his hackles raised.

Originally Posted by Bom

That sort of thing is exactly what I meant when I mentioned you being vicious - she tries to stop a seemingly pointless fight and you think it means she's a wolf.

(I'm sorry my post is all over the place, train of thought writing tonight I'm afraid.)
In response to this, Pitch seems reasonable enough in what he said to G55. I agreed with G55 that something more interesting could be going on, but Pitch isn't being unreasonable in saying playing the middle ground is as wolfish as anything else. I don't agree with him in this case, but I don't this is an example of him being vicious.

Originally Posted by Pitch

I'd like to see more of Zil, Kath, Greenie and Nerwen

What about me? My poor feelings.

So this whole post has been kind of rambling and half serious. It was a horrible day at work, but I'm doing my best to get my heart in it for the last few hours.
That said here are some thoughts:
I feel out of the Inzil, Boro, Bom, and Pitch thing, Boro speaks the most sense. I don't know how I feel about Inzil. And Bom and Pitch are at each others' throats.
Pitch makes a good point about G55 and how she is just sort of straddling the middle ground, but I don't really like how he got his hackles up when Bom called him vicious. I don't agree with Bom when he says Pitch is vicious, but his reaction was kind of alarming.
Bom is no better with getting his panties all up in a twist. He jokes, he's not the only one, bringing that up initially might have been a waste of time, but watching his reaction and others has made for interesting debate. Nerwen calls him an easy target. I don't know how true that is, but he certainly isn't doing himself any favors by getting so worked up. The more worked up he gets the more noticeable and suspicious he becomes. Wolves and innocents do this and that's why I think he's so dangerous. On the other hand Pitch is helping him stay in the spotlight and that's equally as dangerous.

On another topic Kath's vote reasoning has me worried.

Originally Posted by Kath

I feel she's a player that shows her mettle better under a bit of pressure. I know she's got the brains. Let's see 'em!

I read this like Kath wants to bandwagon Sally to scare her into revealing something that may or may not be there. That seems downright dastardly to me.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Well, while I disagree with the idea Pitchwife's explanation for his behavior so far, it is enough to get me off his back for now (though he's still a candidate for voting until/unless somebody else starts acting suspicious). I'd hate to vote G55 for what seems to me like a genuine peacekeeping effort, and nobody else is really standing out much to me.

[Kitanna]

I need to sleep. I'm sorry I missed the Day. I wish I had more time to comment and reread.

Honestly I wish I could vote for Bom and Pitch. I feel like they're both trying to push the other into the spotlight. It's not a good deal. The other two most connected with this (Boro and Inzil) have both stepped back, but these two are dangerous in my mind.

Bom made a joke and the reactions have become the thing of debate. He's been overreacting since the start. He's building a case of a vicious Pitch who is just attacking everyone.

Pitch, I have agreed with on some of his points. I don't think he latched onto G55 as soon as she entered, but made a reasonable comment in regards to her dove on the olive branch. However this quote is the most worrying thing I've seen so far:

Look, Bom, if you're innocent, I'd hate to get into a fight with you over your playing style and give the wolves something to latch on to, but you're not making it particularly easy for me not to. It might help to hear what you think of the rest of this caravan. (And don't give me none of that "It's Day 1, too early to say" crap.)

Pitch spoke reason at times, but this seems way too suspicious. He's pulling an innocent Bom in at the same time as pushing a wolfie Bom back, if that makes sense.

This was a tough choice, but rereading Pitch's reaction to Bom's vicious comment made my mind up.

++ Pitch

Edit: X-POSTED with Inzil Mmmmm....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kit

Gods, I must leave the game over GoT, I swear I will. *puts fingers in ears...er eyes*

It's nice to know at least one person who's on my side.


In other news, I woke up ridiculously sick this morning. I didn't sleep well the Night before last, so that didn't help. Anyway, it's doubtful I'll be around much toDay, but I'll try. Hopefully I'll feel better in a few hours (for instance, after killing a werewolf).



Re: Pitch: I told thee so!
Re: Elf-Warrior: What the heck, wolves? I really wanted to lynch him!


Oh, and whoever posts a snazzy vote count from yesterDay gets free cupcake snuggles.



Sally out.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Also, I'm not overly fond of voting to avoid a bandwaggon - bandwaggons are dangerous, true, but if you suspect someone, you want them bandwaggoned since that's pretty much the only way to get them lynched.

If you *strongly* suspect someone, yes. As it was, I didn't, and that sudden leap on him rather alarmed me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

My point remains, though: why TEW instead of someone else? There's quite a number of people in this village who would have been higher-up on *my* "to kill" list, just on principle. (I don't want to knock TEW, by the way– but you know what I mean.)

Like who? Killing newbies is unsporty. That is at least minus two in any case. Also, in any case, substract three Wolves who are not going to kill each other, of course. If the newbies are both innocent, the number of people you can kill is already thinning very mightily with this. There may be reasons for some people to rather keep them around: for instance, if Zil is innocent, he could be made a suspect, maybe it isn't good to kill him. Similarly maybe with me? And so on and so on. I would however mightily like to hear who would be high on *your* "to kill" list, since you have already mentioned that.

It could be. That bit I quoted above has something of that glimpse-of-the-Nightly-discussion feel.

That's what I thought.

EDIT: x-ed with three little psychopatic frogs.

[Inziladun]

First off, sorry about that, Pitch. He was the only one I really had anything on, even though, as I said, I had some doubts about his lupinity. The two votes for him coming so hot on the heels of mine was rather freaky.

Not much time for much of toDay, sadly. I'll get on when I can, though.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It may have been a framing attempt, or they may have taken his caution and jumpiness as a sign he was *a* gifted, and not bothered about which. (I notice he used the sword icon in his first post, which could have been taken as either a Hunter or Ranger clue.)

I think this more likely than a desire for a trailless kill, as there would seem to have been more choices who left a lot less to be analyzed than TEW.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Like who? Killing newbies is unsporty. That is at least minus two in any case. Also, in any case, substract three Wolves who are not going to kill each other, of course.

Exactly.

If the newbies are both innocent, the number of people you can kill is already thinning very mightily with this. There may be reasons for some people to rather keep them around: for instance, if Zil is innocent, he could be made a suspect, maybe it isn't good to kill him. Similarly maybe with me? And so on and so on. I would however mightily like to hear who would be high on *your* "to kill" list, since you have already mentioned that.

Well you, for a start. And then there's Boro. And Sally, Greenie, Kit, Kath... all people I'd have chosen to knock off first.

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And Sally, Greenie, Kit, Kath... all people I'd have chosen to knock off first.

....I'm flattered.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Like who? Killing newbies is unsporty. That is at least minus two in any case. Also, in any case, substract three Wolves who are not going to kill each other, of course. If the newbies are both innocent, the number of people you can kill is already thinning very mightily with this. There may be reasons for some people to rather keep them around: for instance, if Zil is innocent, he could be made a suspect, maybe it isn't good to kill him. Similarly maybe with me? And so on and so on. I would however mightily like to hear who would be high on *your* "to kill" list, since you have already mentioned that.

That is rhetorical? Or are you totally serious about Nerwen's kill list?

TEW wouldn't make sense as a trailless kill. Even though he didn't give much a way, the two first time players could have been trailless, Greenie, Kath, sally too. So, I think Nerwen's point is if TEW was made as a trailless the fact that it was TEW says something. And not one of the others.

Either the wolf pack is a group that likes to lay low, but then again why not kill you, or Nerwen or me? That would probably leave a trail, but it's rather easy to manipulate the trail once the person's killed.

Or TEW said/did something that tipped off he was a possible gifted, thus making him a more attractive target than the other no-trail kills. I guess what I'm saying is why can't it be both? TEW really doesn't leave a trail and was killed to try to set up you a/o Inzil. But the fact is, as little as the trail was, TEW left one, and whether he turned out gifted or not, there's got to be a reason TEW was a better no-trail target than others.

I guess what I'm trying to get to is, a no-trail kill/frame attempt is not going to be the only reason, because if they aren't concentrating on killing gifteds, then they're very bold. I'm going to look at it as TEW was killed because he was thought a gifted, and the trailless business is just an indirect outcome.

I need to go ice my face now, after Kit's slap.

[satansaloser2005]

In a game this small, the wolves can afford to be bold. They only need three Days to do this, and then it'll be end game. Still, you're right. So, my sweet prince, why was EW killed rather than me or Kit or someone else? Theorize! Hypothesize! Lobotomize! (Well, maybe not the last one.)

Cupcake demands an explanation for this Night kill.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

In a game this small, the wolves can afford to be bold. They only need three Days to do this, and then it'll be end game. Still, you're right. So, my sweet prince, why was EW killed rather than me or Kit or someone else? Theorize! Hypothesize! Lobotomize! (Well, maybe not the last one.)

Cupcake demands an explanation for this Night kill.

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And I would have more of a clue than you? I'm going on the easiest assumption, something TEW said set him above the other no-trail options. Either, he was believe gifted (which would point to Legate a/o Inzil) or the other people I would put into TEW's group based on Day 1, (Greenie, Kath, sally, Laeko, and Azura) contain a few wolves. I have no special ability to know if it's the right assumption, but it's the one that makes the most sense to me. Or at least starts giving me ideas on certain people, which I assure you, is coming.