WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

A Little Green · 11-08-2011, 02:04 PM

I am currently faced with several problems.

1) My two main suspects don't, at least at first glance (which is all I have time for), really look like fellows. Inzil's Day 3 vote could be seen as intended to save Nerwen, but on Day 2 he actually says he'd be ready to vote for Gal based on what Nerwen said, and I'm unconvinced that a Zilwolf, however crafty, would say that so openly. Their toDay's interactions don't look blatantly wolf-on-wolvish either, but that isn't really to say anything about whether they are or not.

2) If one of them is not a wolf, then, I have no idea who else it might be (though, as stated before, if Nerwen is a wolf I'd call it quite possible that Boro is, too).

3) Either way, there is still the third wolf. If it's Azura and s/he isn't modfired, I'm going to be more than a little frustrated. If Kath, I'm going to scream - though Boro's point about why she isn't dead yet was a good one. Who does that leave? Boro I'm very unsure about but if I had to say something more definite I'd say he was leaning innocent. Nerwen's analysis of Laeko was interesting, made me have second thoughts about a player I hadn't really analysed much - but at the same time, Laeko would be a very easy target for the wolves toDay.

Wait. Actually I just came up with an optimistic thought. I have a 50% chance of getting it right toDay!

EDIT: x-ed with Boro

A Little Green · 11-08-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro

I think it looks quite different than Inzil who clearly did try to back away the next day from vote. Then at the same time also make sure to point out he started the Pitch voting.

For myself, I read Inzil's reminder that he started the Pitchwaggon as an only half-serious remark of no real importance. Inzil's Day 2 behaviour is interesting, though, both his apology for his Pitch vote (I'm with Kath on this one, I find that suspicious) and his reasons for voting Gal (what Nerwen said, and involvement in the waggon he himself was just as much a part of).

In fact, I'm flip-flopping like my renowned sister right now, but I'd be willing to bet that either Inzil is a wolf and Boro and Nerwen are innocents I should trust after all, or else Nerwen and Boro are the wolves and Inzil the one I should trust.

The problem here is that I need to go to sleep soon and vote before I do that - and if I vote for another innocent, we've lost the game. (Unless Azura is a wolf and does not appear.) So yeah, no pressure or anything.

Inziladun · 11-08-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I think it looks quite different than Inzil who clearly did try to back away the next day from vote. Then at the same time also make sure to point out he started the Pitch voting.

Come on, Boro! How did I "back away"while still taking responsibility and admitting my fault? You can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

3) Either way, there is still the third wolf. If it's Azura and s/he isn't modfired, I'm going to be more than a little frustrated. If Kath, I'm going to scream - though Boro's point about why she isn't dead yet was a good one. Who does that leave? Boro I'm very unsure about but if I had to say something more definite I'd say he was leaning innocent. Nerwen's analysis of Laeko was interesting, made me have second thoughts about a player I hadn't really analysed much - but at the same time, Laeko would be a very easy target for the wolves toDay.

I seriously doubt Azura is a wolf. I can't believe that such lack of activity would be supported by his mates. And to me, that surely would be a hollow victory.

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

Wait. Actually I just came up with an optimistic thought. I have a 50% chance of getting it right toDay!

You know the stakes. Choose well.

A Little Green · 11-08-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Inzil

I seriously doubt Azura is a wolf. I can't believe that such lack of activity would be supported by his mates. And to me, that surely would be a hollow victory.

Sadly enough, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Inzil

You know the stakes. Choose well.

That doesn't exactly help, you know!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-08-2011, 03:13 PM

Hello again! I am back! Happy, are you?

No, not really, though. I am just posting for Greenie now: only conveying the message that her internet is not working right now, so she cannot post, but she definitely will post at some point, at least an hour before DL.

That's it. Bye!

*crawls back into the mass grave*

Kath · 11-08-2011, 04:05 PM

I'm going to have to vote even earlier than usual toDay as I have to be in school earlier tomorrow morning.

So, as per usual, will read through the posts from toDay and see what has been going on, look at the votes from yesterDay and decide!

Will say I won't vote Azura for the same reasoning as others have given. Seriously doubt s/he is a wolf with so little participation.

Kath · 11-08-2011, 04:33 PM

Votes:
Greenie --> Nerwen (Can't say I'm totally getting this vote still. So, if the wolves had Seer options, they (with one of them being Nerwen) then looked only at the Seer options who would potentially dream of Nerwen, in order to avoid Nerwen being dreamed of and outed. Right. Technically this makes sense. I still think it is pretty convoluted reasoning to base a vote on, however. Also, Greenie states that this reasoning is in addition to previous suspicion of Nerwen, but there is no other suspicion bar that gained from this train of thought during the Day.)

Kath --> Greenie (Based on what I've just written above.)

Legate --> Nerwen (For being very jumpy and continuing to posit theories that were markedly different from his own which he considered ill-reasoned. Now, this debate raged yesterDay. sally did not leave extremely obvious clues. Therefore her posts are open to interpretation. Nerwen's 'jumpiness' could very easily be a result of the very forceful way that Legate argued against her yesterDay. Once I get on to reading toDays posts I think it will become clear whether that was the case or whether she is actually oddly jumpy.)

Kitanna --> Legate (For pushing buttons. Well, I can definitely see her reasoning. He was. In hindsight with the knowledge that he is innocent the reactions of those he 'pushed' needs to be addressed. The two people that most responded to that 'pushing' were Nerwen and Boro, and they did come under some heavy suspicion yesterDay. If either or both of them turn out to be wolves then, despite the unfortunate side effect of his death (!), Legate's 'pushing' may well prove useful.)

Nerwen --> Legate (Pretty much to save her own skin. Difficulty is, whatever her role she'd pretty much have done the same thing. If Gifted she knows she's more important to the village even if he's innocent. If ordo she knows nothing and assumes he's wolvish and a better lynch than her. If wolvish clearly she's going to want him lynched as she knows he's innocent.)

Inzil --> Legate (Was choosing between Nerwen and Legate to ensure his vote counted for something. This, at least, I like. It's not a throwaway or an 'easy' vote and it's a vote that's very hard to hide behind as a wolf. His reasoning for suspicion of Legate was stronger than anything he had on Nerwen and he did vote accordingly.)

Laeko --> Nerwen (Were Laeko not a newbie, I'd all but be proclaiming her wolvishness from the rooftops. Deliberately causing a tie, with absolutely no reasoning in her post? Can we say suspicious? I mean if she is a wolf then I take my hat off at the sheer audacity of that vote. It's difficult. I know newbies have sailed through under what turned out to be unwise automatic protection, but the rest of Laeko's posts hadn't raised any alarm bells for me.)

Boro --> Legate (Breaks the tie. Question: Did he have to? If he hadn't voted what would have happened with the lynch? Because I think that's rather important for deciding whether what he did makes him look good/bag/ugly.)

So, from the votes Greenie and Laeko seem most suspicious. Boro might be in there too but I'd like to know the answer to that question first.

Now on to toDay.

11-08-2011, 02:04 PM	#1
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	I am currently faced with several problems. 1) My two main suspects don't, at least at first glance (which is all I have time for), really look like fellows. Inzil's Day 3 vote could be seen as intended to save Nerwen, but on Day 2 he actually says he'd be ready to vote for Gal based on what Nerwen said, and I'm unconvinced that a Zilwolf, however crafty, would say that so openly. Their toDay's interactions don't look blatantly wolf-on-wolvish either, but that isn't really to say anything about whether they are or not. 2) If one of them is not a wolf, then, I have no idea who else it might be (though, as stated before, if Nerwen is a wolf I'd call it quite possible that Boro is, too). 3) Either way, there is still the third wolf. If it's Azura and s/he isn't modfired, I'm going to be more than a little frustrated. If Kath, I'm going to scream - though Boro's point about why she isn't dead yet was a good one. Who does that leave? Boro I'm very unsure about but if I had to say something more definite I'd say he was leaning innocent. Nerwen's analysis of Laeko was interesting, made me have second thoughts about a player I hadn't really analysed much - but at the same time, Laeko would be a very easy target for the wolves toDay. Wait. Actually I just came up with an optimistic thought. I have a 50% chance of getting it right toDay! EDIT: x-ed with Boro __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

11-08-2011, 03:13 PM	#5
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	The Dead Have Spoken! Hello again! I am back! Happy, are you? No, not really, though. I am just posting for Greenie now: only conveying the message that her internet is not working right now, so she cannot post, but she definitely will post at some point, at least an hour before DL. That's it. Bye! crawls back into the mass grave __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

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11-08-2011, 04:05 PM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I'm going to have to vote even earlier than usual toDay as I have to be in school earlier tomorrow morning. So, as per usual, will read through the posts from toDay and see what has been going on, look at the votes from yesterDay and decide! Will say I won't vote Azura for the same reasoning as others have given. Seriously doubt s/he is a wolf with so little participation.

11-08-2011, 04:33 PM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Votes: Greenie --> Nerwen (Can't say I'm totally getting this vote still. So, if the wolves had Seer options, they (with one of them being Nerwen) then looked only at the Seer options who would potentially dream of Nerwen, in order to avoid Nerwen being dreamed of and outed. Right. Technically this makes sense. I still think it is pretty convoluted reasoning to base a vote on, however. Also, Greenie states that this reasoning is in addition to previous suspicion of Nerwen, but there is no other suspicion bar that gained from this train of thought during the Day.) Kath --> Greenie (Based on what I've just written above.) Legate --> Nerwen (For being very jumpy and continuing to posit theories that were markedly different from his own which he considered ill-reasoned. Now, this debate raged yesterDay. sally did not leave extremely obvious clues. Therefore her posts are open to interpretation. Nerwen's 'jumpiness' could very easily be a result of the very forceful way that Legate argued against her yesterDay. Once I get on to reading toDays posts I think it will become clear whether that was the case or whether she is actually oddly jumpy.) Kitanna --> Legate (For pushing buttons. Well, I can definitely see her reasoning. He was. In hindsight with the knowledge that he is innocent the reactions of those he 'pushed' needs to be addressed. The two people that most responded to that 'pushing' were Nerwen and Boro, and they did come under some heavy suspicion yesterDay. If either or both of them turn out to be wolves then, despite the unfortunate side effect of his death (!), Legate's 'pushing' may well prove useful.) Nerwen --> Legate (Pretty much to save her own skin. Difficulty is, whatever her role she'd pretty much have done the same thing. If Gifted she knows she's more important to the village even if he's innocent. If ordo she knows nothing and assumes he's wolvish and a better lynch than her. If wolvish clearly she's going to want him lynched as she knows he's innocent.) Inzil --> Legate (Was choosing between Nerwen and Legate to ensure his vote counted for something. This, at least, I like. It's not a throwaway or an 'easy' vote and it's a vote that's very hard to hide behind as a wolf. His reasoning for suspicion of Legate was stronger than anything he had on Nerwen and he did vote accordingly.) Laeko --> Nerwen (Were Laeko not a newbie, I'd all but be proclaiming her wolvishness from the rooftops. Deliberately causing a tie, with absolutely no reasoning in her post? Can we say suspicious? I mean if she is a wolf then I take my hat off at the sheer audacity of that vote. It's difficult. I know newbies have sailed through under what turned out to be unwise automatic protection, but the rest of Laeko's posts hadn't raised any alarm bells for me.) Boro --> Legate (Breaks the tie. Question: Did he have to? If he hadn't voted what would have happened with the lynch? Because I think that's rather important for deciding whether what he did makes him look good/bag/ugly.) So, from the votes Greenie and Laeko seem most suspicious. Boro might be in there too but I'd like to know the answer to that question first. Now on to toDay.