TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Ahem. Did anyone consider that the Acolyte may in fact be a Nightly killer who targeted Steve (or someone else) last Night, and that Galadriel protected him/her/it/your mother? Or, perhaps, the wolves targeted our dear departed lass Lad, and the Acolyte targeted Steve/whomever else.

I mean really. When wolves don't get a kill, we all immediately assume that the ranger was doing their job, but when we have an unknown probable killing role in our midst, we forget that possibility? I'm a bit disappointed.


Or, as they say in Limerick....

Why do none of you pause to think
That last Night there might be a link
Between Gal55
And Steve, who's alive
Despite the wolves' Nightly hijinx


EDIT: x'd since we were still on page 8 (hush, you lot, I've been busy)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Ahem. Did anyone consider that the Acolyte may in fact be a Nightly killer who targeted Steve (or someone else) last Night, and that Galadriel protected him/her/it/your mother? Or, perhaps, the wolves targeted our dear departed lass Lad, and the Acolyte targeted Steve/whomever else.

I mean really. When wolves don't get a kill, we all immediately assume that the ranger was doing their job, but when we have an unknown probable killing role in our midst, we forget that possibility? I'm a bit disappointed.

The narrative appears to support only one attempted and completed kill. I don't see any evidence two people were targeted.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The narrative appears to support only one attempted and completed kill. I don't see any evidence two people were targeted.

The narrative for N1 appears to support that Eruhen was killed by someone, not modkilled.

Oh, right. My bad. Shutting up.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And I'm not "fixated" on the Acolyte. There's no "rampage". I keep bringing up the subject because NO ONE ELSE WILL. Seriously, everyone but me thus far has basically said "oh well we don't know the Acolyte isn't playing for the good team" and has basically left it there and I think that's wrong. The Acolyte doesn't count for innocents or wolves in the tally - how likely is it the Acolyte can only win by himself? Answer: pretty likely.

But fine. If the only response I'm going to get is "Shasta's suspicious for talking about the Acolyte" then I'll drop the subject completely. I won't even say "told you so" when the Acolyte wins by themselves.

But you're doing more than talking about the Acolyte: you're advocating voting for an Acolyte suspect in lieu of seeking a Spy toDay.

If the Acolyte truly has no team allegiance at this point, xe's going to be a lot harder to find than the Spies. We have a lot more to go on where the latter are concerned. And they are the greater threat.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The narrative for N1 appears to support that Eruhen was killed by someone, not modkilled.

I was talking about last Night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But you're doing more than talking about the Acolyte: you're advocating voting for an Acolyte suspect in lieu of seeking a Spy toDay.

If the Acolyte truly has no team allegiance at this point, xe's going to be a lot harder to find than the Spies. We have a lot more to go on where the latter are concerned. And they are the greater threat.

I'm aware of that. Which is why I'm still looking for spies/wolves. But I still think the Acolyte is a greater threat than people are making him out to be. I suppose it's a bit like the cobbler debate - do you lynch a known cobbler, or do you keep hunting for wolves?

I was talking about last Night.

I'm aware. I was being snarky and sarcastic. I apologize.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Boro, your post is based entirely around the fact that you think I was saying Nog was being reasonable (thus implying that I was defending him.) If you look back, you'll see that I fully believed Eonwe that Nog was a wolf - I simply thought I would try and prevent someone I thought had killing powers from killing again. What's better, two kills per night or one? You're going far, far out of your way to misrepresent me here and I don't like it one bit.

And I'm not "fixated" on the Acolyte. There's no "rampage". I keep bringing up the subject because NO ONE ELSE WILL. Seriously, everyone but me thus far has basically said "oh well we don't know the Acolyte isn't playing for the good team" and has basically left it there and I think that's wrong. The Acolyte doesn't count for innocents or wolves in the tally - how likely is it the Acolyte can only win by himself? Answer: pretty likely.

But fine. If the only response I'm going to get is "Shasta's suspicious for talking about the Acolyte" then I'll drop the subject completely. I won't even say "told you so" when the Acolyte wins by themselves.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Boro, your post is based entirely around the fact that you think I was saying Nog was being reasonable (thus implying that I was defending him.) If you look back, you'll see that I fully believed Eonwe that Nog was a wolf - I simply thought I would try and prevent someone I thought had killing powers from killing again. What's better, two kills per night or one? You're going far, far out of your way to misrepresent me here and I don't like it one bit.

And I'm not "fixated" on the Acolyte. There's no "rampage". I keep bringing up the subject because NO ONE ELSE WILL. Seriously, everyone but me thus far has basically said "oh well we don't know the Acolyte isn't playing for the good team" and has basically left it there and I think that's wrong. The Acolyte doesn't count for innocents or wolves in the tally - how likely is it the Acolyte can only win by himself? Answer: pretty likely.

But fine. If the only response I'm going to get is "Shasta's suspicious for talking about the Acolyte" then I'll drop the subject completely. I won't even say "told you so" when the Acolyte wins by themselves.

I suppose it could be one of those difference of opinion/playing style moments. I just can't see why there should be so much worry created about an unknown role. And the fact that Nog did it yesterday put me "wolves are trying to make the acolyte the focus and lynch him/her." Sure, I may be hopefully assuming the acolyte is on our side, but that to me looks like a much safer assumption than your assumption that he/she is a dangerous threat.

If you're right about the acolyte though, we still have the wolves to deal with and there really isn't a reason to believe that the Acolyte gets to kill each night, so I'm not seeing why I should feel more of a threat from the acolyte than from the 3 remaining wolves.

Anyway, I'm at least going to take a break, because I see I might be wrong with assuming only wolves are trying to focus our attention on the acolyte.

Edit: crossed since Inzil's post 330

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Legate

but mostly the fact that he had pushed for a second lynch going at the same point yesterDay with Steve, therefore threatening to threaten him (to make a double lynch).

I already pointed out how much rubbish this point is. In fact, since I voted Inzil, I'd be very interested to hear how I supposedly threatened Eonwe yesterday.

I don't want to think I'm basically OMGUSing Legate here - I might be, certainly, but he's seemed completely (not a bit, not some, pretty much completely) off to me since the beginning.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I already pointed out how much rubbish this point is. In fact, since I voted Inzil, I'd be very interested to hear how I supposedly threatened Eonwe yesterday.

Maybe I did not word it very well this time - but you were offering ground for double-lynch in any case, be the other subject Eonwe or Zil. In any case, it would still not be good for the village - only leave the uncertainity for the future. And also (I don't know how exactly was the voting around that time you were proposing that, or when you voted), if there were still some Wolves left to vote after you, with enough numbers, they could still do a double-lynch in that way. That's of course probably unlikely, but the general point is that splitting the vote (especially for somebody completely random) was not exactly helpful in that situation.

I don't want to think I'm basically OMGUSing Legate here - I might be, certainly, but he's seemed completely (not a bit, not some, pretty much completely) off to me since the beginning.

How nice. I, on the other hand, thought initially you were pretty good.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maybe I did not word it very well this time - but you were offering ground for double-lynch in any case, be the other subject Eonwe or Zil. In any case, it would still not be good for the village - only leave the uncertainity for the future. And also (I don't know how exactly was the voting around that time you were proposing that, or when you voted), if there were still some Wolves left to vote after you, with enough numbers, they could still do a double-lynch in that way. That's of course probably unlikely, but the general point is that splitting the vote (especially for somebody completely random) was not exactly helpful in that situation.


How nice. I, on the other hand, thought initially you were pretty good.

Wrong. I never said I wanted to lynch Eonwe, in fact I never mentioned him in the slightest. Why would I want to lynch the Seer, in any case? Yes, I mentioned that a double lynch of Inzil and Nog might be a good idea, after someone mentioned it (I'd originally forgotten about double lynches at all), but how would that have "left uncertainty"? Nog would have been just as dead. Your other point is still not very good - I already gave you the numbers to prove that even if it had been possible for the wolves to double-lynch Eonwe, they all would have been revealed after that and the game would be over! See, Legate, you keep trying to make this into a reason that I'm suspicious and it's just not working. That's what I mean about how completely off you are. I didn't mean to insult you or anything, if that's what you thought (as your last comment leads me to believe.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Wrong. I never said I wanted to lynch Eonwe, in fact I never mentioned him in the slightest. Why would I want to lynch the Seer, in any case? Yes, I mentioned that a double lynch of Inzil and Nog might be a good idea, after someone mentioned it (I'd originally forgotten about double lynches at all), but how would that have "left uncertainty"? Nog would have been just as dead. Your other point is still not very good - I already gave you the numbers to prove that even if it had been possible for the wolves to double-lynch Eonwe, they all would have been revealed after that and the game would be over! See, Legate, you keep trying to make this into a reason that I'm suspicious and it's just not working. That's what I mean about how completely off you are. I didn't mean to insult you or anything, if that's what you thought (as your last comment leads me to believe.)

Not taking it as insult, never mind then. But okay, then tell me clearly: first you did not plan to make it double-lynch, then you did, so can you go over it once again - what exactly had you intended? Did you intend to make a double-lynch (of Zil and Nog), then? Why exactly, i.e. what good would it be? Also, how did you hope to achieve that? What if one got one more vote than the other? What would you think if only Nog was lynched? What would you think if only Zil was lynched? Had you considered those two possibilities at all? Answering shortly, briefly in points is fine, if I can ask you for that...

And anyway, yes, I am willing to see also something more - something else - from you to make me evaluate you better. E.g. if you list briefly whom do you currently suspect and why... or whom do you trust the most and why...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Ahem. Did anyone consider that the Acolyte may in fact be a Nightly killer who targeted Steve (or someone else) last Night, and that Galadriel protected him/her/it/your mother? Or, perhaps, the wolves targeted our dear departed lass Lad, and the Acolyte targeted Steve/whomever else.

I mean really. When wolves don't get a kill, we all immediately assume that the ranger was doing their job, but when we have an unknown probable killing role in our midst, we forget that possibility? I'm a bit disappointed.

Sort of a stretch, I think (if I understood it correctly what you mean). I wouldn't overcombinate things that much. Aside from that, what I said at the end of the post above.