TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

So, if you go with the assumption that the Acolyte kills every Night, yes, they are evil, but as far as numbers in the tally, the wolves are a bigger issue. We currently have ten people, which means we have nine people, which means we have three wolves and six goodies (and then of course the Acolyte). If we go after the Acolyte toDay and succeed, we will be in the same position toMorrow, except worse after the Night's kill. If we go after a wolf and succeed, we improve our numbers, which, granted, will decrease over the Night. Consider, however, the fact that the werewolves could kill the Acolyte, or the Acolyte could target one of the wolves. Thus, our more pressing issue must be the wolves, as they are a cohesive (mostly) unit, whereas the Acolyte, while a definite threat, is one man/woman.

That is in fact a VERY GOOD point and I think the whole village should smack its head for not saying this aloud before. I wonder whether the WWs have been leading us by our noses like that all the time ("lynch the Acolyte!" - Nog, and now if Shasta is the Wolf, it would be the same), or if we are just really so dumb village. I wouldn't be surprised by the latter, but... well.

Originally Posted by sally

Considering that I've suspected Legate most of the game, and that his reaction to Steve's reveal was so bizarre, I'm hardly going to stop suspecting him. He is my most likely vote candidate toDay.

Wow, really? Now that is news to me. Since when?

I am not so very surprised that people suspect me, since it started already yesterDay, and of course many people started suspecting me only now, some of them no doubt out of evil intentions. I know Shasta started suspecting me rather suddenly only this morning, but that is understandable because, as I am aware, my suspicion of Steve's claim had caused many to start frowning upon me. But if somebody claims "I have been suspecting you all along..." These are rather strong words.

I would also urge those who have brains (which, I hope, are all of us, just some of them have currently evil intentions in them) to think of why they actually suspect me. If it is all based on "Freddy said that Joe said that Legate did not want to trust Steve, and I myself also recall reading him saying something like that, so it is probably true", then I would very much like to ask if it is enough for you to vote for me. I get the feeling many people have been consequently interpreting everything I've said in the worst possible light, with their eyes closed. I had said as much to Shasta, but that goes also for Eönwë who seemed to be convinced from the start of the Day that I am trying to do the worst (even claiming that I had wanted him to postpone revealing innocents with some evil intentions, even though I have not and I was the only one who had talked to him about it until very late), also I get the same feeling from Nate and some others (maybe Sally here).

The worst thing are blind innocents who only latch to some idea without being able to criticise it. I know that because I did the very same thing when I wanted to lynch Steve yesterDay. You are now doing the very same thing. So if I am lynched, remember that when other people start accusing you for it. If you want to lynch me, then at least try to find some honest reason for it, if you are innocent. If you can't, try not to fabricate, as it might also backfire on you later. Only WWs fabricate.

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Random remark - I would very much like to hear Boro contribute to the general discussion again with something more than just remarks devoted to this or that particular debate with this or that player. It would help sorting thoughts on him, because I think he's been rather in the background lately due to this fact of being very "specifically aimed" only on some things.

Anyway, I might go to sleep soon... will be back to vote some short time before DL.

EDIT: x-ed since Sally

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Random remark - I would very much like to hear Boro contribute to the general discussion again with something more than just remarks devoted to this or that particular debate with this or that player. It would help sorting thoughts on him, because I think he's been rather in the background lately due to this fact of being very "specifically aimed" only on some things.

Rarely do I do general lists on everyone currently living. And no offense, but I'm not jumping through hoops for you and your thoughts. If I need to clarify anything I've said, fine, ask away. My thoughts on people might be too focused/set on only a few, but they should be clear enough. If I haven't commented on someone/some topic, it's either because I've got nothing to say that hasn't already been stated, it's not important enough to me, or I generally feel ok about the person/situation.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Rarely do I do general lists on everyone currently living. And no offense, but I'm not jumping through hoops for you and your thoughts. If I need to clarify anything I've said, fine, ask away. My thoughts on people might be too focused/set on only a few, but they should be clear enough. If I haven't commented on someone/some topic, it's either because I've got nothing to say that hasn't already been stated, it's not important enough to me, or I generally feel ok about the person/situation.

I think the problem is rather opposite - you speak about a few things, but in such a wordy manner that it's often difficult to follow. But asking... well, let's say, since me and Shasta seem to be the topic of the day, for example you could briefly state why do you suspect both of us? In a few words, few points would suffice. I won't probably argue back or stuff like that, I would just like to see your opinion on us summed up, since you say you'd prefer to start with us; also so that future generations can see it, if it comes to that. So:

1. What do you suspect about me so much that you are willing to give me your vote, why;
2. What do you suspect about Shasta so much that you are willing to give him your vote, why.

If it takes you long, I might go to sleep meanwhile, but I will read it at the most in the morning. Also, it is intended not just for me, but also for others to read.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

1. What do you suspect about me so much that you are willing to give me your vote, why;
2. What do you suspect about Shasta so much that you are willing to give him your vote, why.

You because your behavior, especially yesterday over Eonwe's reveal and when you were quite quick to call his first case against Nog bad/evil, for "painting Nog black." I kept telling myself yesterday "Is Nerwen sure she didn't add a cobbler? Because if there is one, it would be Legate."

Shasta, for his comment yesterday on how it looked like I was "bussing Nog's lynch." But I call the bull when I see it and Nog was spouting a lot of it yesterday, even before Eonwe revealed he was a wolf. And with Nog, Shasta should know Nog will try to intimidate you, so you have to be over-zealous and throw his aggression right back at him. And today...really do I have to say it?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

That is in fact a VERY GOOD point and I think the whole village should smack its head for not saying this aloud before. I wonder whether the WWs have been leading us by our noses like that all the time ("lynch the Acolyte!" - Nog, and now if Shasta is the Wolf, it would be the same), or if we are just really so dumb village. I wouldn't be surprised by the latter, but... well.

Actually, Dun (and myself, to a far lesser extent) has been saying how we shouldn't focus too much on the Acolyte, and that's exactly why other people have been suspecting him. (Not me. I'm a free thinker, see, and suspected him all on my own.) And thank you. It is a good point. Don't sound so surprised.

Originally Posted by Legate

Wow, really? Now that is news to me. Since when?

I am not so very surprised that people suspect me, since it started already yesterDay, and of course many people started suspecting me only now, some of them no doubt out of evil intentions. I know Shasta started suspecting me rather suddenly only this morning, but that is understandable because, as I am aware, my suspicion of Steve's claim had caused many to start frowning upon me. But if somebody claims "I have been suspecting you all along..." These are rather strong words.

I never said I suspected you all along. I said:

Originally Posted by me, Sally, whose name starts with an uppercase letter, thank you very much, children

Considering that I've suspected Legate most of the game, and that his reaction to Steve's reveal was so bizarre, I'm hardly going to stop suspecting him. He is my most likely vote candidate toDay.

Bolding mine, as is the victory. "Most of the game" and "all along" are two vastly different things, pet.


Huh. Well, that's unfortunate. I seem to have taken an accidental nap for a bit there, and I'm still quite sleepy. Considering that I doubt I'd wake up again in time to vote, I should just vote now, so that I might get some sleep.

++Legate

If you're shocked, try to hide it.


Or, as they say in Limerick....

Don't think that this changes my mind
Just 'cause our dear Legate was kind
I still trust him least
Aye, he's yet a beast
And thus we must leave him behind


(Sleeping now. Dealing with the idiocy of Dun being innocent later. Rest in pieces*, Steve, and thanks for all your help.)

*Note for the overzealous non-native (or non-sarcastic) speaker: Just pun and games there.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, fine, Inzil's an ordo. Fair enough. But you aren't allowed to suspect someone for thinking you were claiming something when you were acting like you were claiming something (and don't try to deny that, Inzil, it's all over your D1 actions.)

Moving on -

Originally Posted by Boro

Shasta, for his comment yesterday on how it looked like I was "bussing Nog's lynch." But I call the bull when I see it and Nog was spouting a lot of it yesterday, even before Eonwe revealed he was a wolf. And with Nog, Shasta should know Nog will try to intimidate you, so you have to be over-zealous and throw his aggression right back at him. And today...really do I have to say it?

Your post was completely over the top, even for you. The wording just seemed too bloodthirsty for me not to mention it. And yes, you do - because as far as I can see, the only reason anyone suspects me today is because I'm more concerned about the Acolyte than anyone else. So you definitely just look like you're bandwagoning one of the top suspects of the Day here.

Originally Posted by Inzil

After Steve's reveal, Shasta votes for me, saying he thought I was the Acolyte since the previous Day. He's willing to vote for me over a probable Spy Day 2, yet Day 1 he had me in his "middle" category of suspicion and voted for Bom. He said I might be the target of a witch hunt then. I have a serious problem with this inconsistency. It looks like a possible attempt by a ShastaSpy to save a mate.

You really think, if I was a wolf, I had a shot at saving the Seer-dreamt Nogrod yesterday after he already had five votes against him? You vastly overestimate my skills, I'm afraid. Or you think I'm an idiot. Either or.

Originally Posted by Inzil

It doesn't make sense to me still how an innocent could consider the Acolyte more worthy of killing than a wolf, even if it were certain who the Acolyte was.

Sigh. I will try to explain this one more time and then I'm dropping the subject entirely.

From my point of view, the Acolyte had killed someone N1, along with the wolves. And do not give me that rubbish about "oh it might have been a modkill, Nerwen said she wouldn't tell us." If it were a modkill, she would have told us. I don't think I've ever seen a mod not tell us if someone was modkilled, let alone the person themselves apologizing for having to drop over on the admin thread. It was an Acolyte-kill, end of discussion. Now then. If the Acolyte killed on N1, to my mind that meant they were at least some form of Werebear, and would more likely than not be killing again. Given the high number of wolves in the village, it meant that the game would end that much faster if there were consistenly going to be more than one kill per night, unless the Bear happened to start hitting wolves. I didn't want to take that chance, so I wanted to remove the possibility of more than one kill per Night.

I genuinely don't know how to make it any clearer than that. If after reading this you still suspect me for it, then I'm never going to get through to you.

Originally Posted by Inzil

And his third "point", that I hadn't denied it, is utter rubbish.

It wasn't the greatest, but it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be, either. My thinking was that since you hadn't denied it explicitly, but hadn't come out and claimed either, then perhaps you were getting around a "forbidden to claim" rule. We've seen them before, I don't think it's that much of a stretch.

Originally Posted by Inzil

What does OMGUS mean again?

"Oh my gosh, you suck." Used when someone votes or suspects someone else based at least partly on the fact that they were suspected by that same person.

Most of the rest of this post is the exact same point, reiterated ad infinitum, that I want (and still would like, actually) the Acolyte dead and that I couldn't be 100% positive it was Inzil. I've gone over and gone over this point and I'm done with it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Anyway, time to vote.

++Legate

Granted, part of this vote is self-preservation, but I do actually suspect him. Some of the points he's tried to make are just too far off-the-wall wrong for innocent!Legate to make.

[Pitchwife]

Sorry for coming back so late - had dinner with my parents and was too tired afterwards. Catching up now.

So far I've got to the point where Legate accuses Shasta for threatening Eönwë with his double lynch proposal. Excuse me, but it wasn't Shasta who was "rather convinced, now thinking about it more and more, that Eönwë is just fake" yesterDay (#236) and toyed with the question whether it would be OK to lynch him, and this does look very much like Legate is trying to deflect suspicion of himself for his reaction to Eönwë's reveal on Shasta.

(Not that I think a double lynch would have been a splendid idea btw, but it actually would have been better than the original proposal to lynch Zil first and Nog later, as it would at least have got a wolf lynched yesterDay.)

Reading on.