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Pile O'Bones
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"Widows' Sons" is a cryptic Masonic phrase. It means "Freemasons".
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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It is very common in folk tales that a male protagonist is the son of a widow. That is ostensibly what Tolkien is having Bilbo refer to. I first came across this supposed connection in Jesse L. Weston’s From Ritual to Romance originally published in 1920. In chapter XIV she writes: Once started on a definitely romantic career, the Grail story rapidly became a complex of originally divergent themes, the most important stage in its development being the incorporation of the popular tale of the Widow’s Son, brought up in the wilderness, and launched into the world in a condition of absolute ignorance of men, and manners. The Perceval story is a charming story, but it has originally nothing whatever to do with the Grail. The original tale, now best represented by our English Syr Percyvelle of Galles, has no trace of Mystery element; it is Folk-lore, pure and simple. I believe the connection with the Grail legend to be purely fortuitous, and due to the fact that the hero of the Folk-tale was known as ‘The Widow’s Son,’ which he actually was, while this title represented in Mystery terminology a certain grade of Initiation, and as such is preserved to-day in Masonic ritual.Jesse L. Weston’s beliefs are now hardly accepted by anyone. But even in Weston’s idiosyncratic belief Sir Perceval was originally called a widow’s son because he was literally a widow’s son. T. H. Eilot’s poem The Wasteland was indeed inspired by crank Arthurian commentary. As I understand it, the claim is that because Tolkien once mentioned in his writing something that means something different according to secret Masonic allegory, he must have been a secret Mason. If the supposed phrase is widow’s sons then it is hardly a Masonic secret that one of the Masonic Degrees is Widow’s Son and hundreds of writers have written about widow’s sons without meaning anything esoteric. Just look up son of the widow folklore in Google and you will find thousands of tales among irrelevant sites. In any case, no evidence beyond a single phrase in all his writing, a phrase that also has a common meaning, comes down to no evidence. Last edited by jallanite; 07-13-2012 at 02:58 PM. |
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Curmudgeonly Wordwraith
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Jack the Giant-killer, he who climbed the beanstalk, was a widow's son; ergo he was obviously a Freemason and perhaps a member of the Illuminati and a bastard son of a Templar knight.
Or perhaps, as Jallanite inferred, the "luck of widows' sons" is such a well-known motif in folktales that it has become stereotypical. Hence, Tolkien references it because it is a touchstone in folklore, as is the mention of "the rescue of princesses".
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Or perhaps Tolkien was slightly just taking the mick out of Freemasons in general, with a knowing wink to adult readers who would recognize the reference.
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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There is no apparent winking in the reference to “the unexpected luck of widows’ sons”.
What would Tolkien be winking at in ascribing this to Gandalf? The “unexpected luck of widows’ sons” is a very common feature of folk tales. It is not commonly noted when speaking of Masons. Reading a Masonic reference into this phrase in this context is pointless. |
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