Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Hm. An uprising sounds very interesting. That would case a lot of rippling effects in Scarburg that would grow immensely. I see great potential.

What, Elempi, don't like 'Rohanians'?

I KNEW something wasn't right in what I was writing the other night, but I didn't care enough to figure it out. Thank you, kind sir, for correcting me. :P

If it came to a disagreement between Athanar and Eodwine, wouldn't Eodwine give in? I mean, he's there to support Athanar and counsel him, but if Athanar chooses another course, Eodwine's duty would be to stand behind him. They could disagree in private, and all, but surely they'd show a strong front in public. I don't know how much Eodwine is similar to Thornden, but that seems to be what Thornden would do.

Speaking of, I want to write him again. Are we going to move forward with this Scyrr thing? I do want to see that story-line wrapped up.

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren is right. If there is no justification, no inkling of rectitude to be found in the rebellion at all, then Eodwine will simply support his lord, and that's that. And that would be boring, to me. If, however, there was something justifiable in the rebels' motivations, even in their own minds, then there might/would be contention between A & E. The greater the seeming justification, the greater the confrontation, even to the point of being open before the folk of Scarburg. That would not be boring to me.

I wonder if Firefoot is around? Maybe the interaction between Scyld and Rowenna could be part of the build-up, considering their somewhat common backgrounds...?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Folwren is right. If there is no justification, no inkling of rectitude to be found in the rebellion at all, then Eodwine will simply support his lord, and that's that. And that would be boring, to me. If, however, there was something justifiable in the rebels' motivations, even in their own minds, then there might/would be contention between A & E. The greater the seeming justification, the greater the confrontation, even to the point of being open before the folk of Scarburg. That would not be boring to me.

Originally Posted by me

But if that is about the scenario we'll start building I'd suggest we make the rebels do something relatively serious as otherwise it might be a real pain to write Athanar demanding law and order in the face of probably quite righteous claims of the rebels

That's exactly what I was talking about - only adding the other dimension of the scene. So there has to be a decent justification on the rebels' part (which should not be hard to come by), but there should also be some drastic action on their behalf so that it is not easy to take "your side".

I'd hope to find a storyline where anyone of us as ourselves, the writers, would honestly find it hard to say what is right or wrong - then we should adopt positions to our characters and see what comes out of it.

That would be challenging and interesting at the same time. If one of the sides is clearly right and the other wrong there is nothing interesting to write for.

I have a few preliminary ideas about the lords but let me think about them & check a few "facts" before coming open with them for you to have your say, hopefully tomorrow...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Are we going to move forward with this Scyrr thing? I do want to see that story-line wrapped up.

Good point.

I have been waiting for the writers of those characters involved to kind of say "hi I'm in for this", but well, it seems we just have to go forwards without many of the character-writers involved.

Let's wrap it up pretty fast, shall we?

I can post a short one making Athanar wist to hear Scyrr on his part first. Then whoever (Legate, Folwren, lmp) can make Scyrr's POV. Then maybe a few POV's of others and Athanar makes the decision... Okay?


Who wishes to take Scyrr?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Good point.

I have been waiting for the writers of those characters involved to kind of say "hi I'm in for this", but well, it seems we just have to go forwards without many of the character-writers involved.

Let's wrap it up pretty fast, shall we?

I can post a short one making Athanar wist to hear Scyrr on his part first. Then whoever (Legate, Folwren, lmp) can make Scyrr's POV. Then maybe a few POV's of others and Athanar makes the decision... Okay?


Who wishes to take Scyrr?

Just a remark since I happen to be around now... however I won't be around at least in several upcoming days, so I cannot write at that time (though if I randomly happened to be around, I can write for Hilderinc. But probably not Scyrr).

[Nogrod]

The stage is set for Scyrr...

I'm a bit off as to what happened between him and Saeryn / Eodwine, so I would appreciate if someone else took him. If you are insecure as to what kind of person he is, then let me say this (which is kind of my view on him).

Scyrr is a tough and battle-hardened soldier to the bone - in a long line of descent. And he is proud of his lineage: not of lords but of warriors; soldiers, tough guys, those who devote their lives to their lords.

Aside his devotion and total submission to his lord he's pretty hard one to handle for anyone else. He never fails his lord and any lord could trust their lives in men like him, but there is this downside of him being rough and ready for a brawl whenever a situation presents itself. He also gets drunk more often than would be advisable and gets even more troublesome when under the influence of mead or wine. He might be a loyal friend to those colleagues of his he has learned to appreciate through years but would be highly distrustful of any new acquintances...


PS. Legate: do fill in a few lines for Hilderinc. And please tell me if there is something I should add to my post dealing Hilderinc as well...

PS2. I'd say Scyrr is old enough to have been fighting in the Pelennor fields (alongside his father who would have been there with Athanar's father's retinue), but he would have been a youngster back then and maybe not performing as well he would have done had he had the experience he has these days... so he would be a thirty-something? Like five to ten+ years younger than Athanar and Eodwine, but not a "boy" in any sense of the word.

[littlemanpoet]

I have an idea for a rebellion.

The three lords abide by the letter of the law and are letting time pass, but take advantage of whatever the letter of the law allows, having "dragon-fever", as it were (monetary greed). But in doing this they are scrupulous in making sure that they cross no line that would rouse a law and order Eorl of Middle Emnet to bring down the law upon them. And while they behave thus, they intrigue very much against the spirit of the law, preparing for overthrow.

Meanwhile, some of their primary men, such as the honorable Stedford in Friduhelm's hall, catch wind of it and do their own intriguing between the three lords, and gather a rebel force and together attempt to overthrow the one they think weakest. They say they do this because they know the hands of the Eorl are tied to protect the office of these lords even though they do and prepare evil. And they also say they do this to bring these plotting lords to justice, and establish a better man to be their lord.

This cuts things a little finer, turning things on its head, as it were.

I realize this might make Athanar's position rather difficult, and it would certainly pull at Eodwine to support the rebels for their justice as opposed to the lords for their rights; leaving him caught between the oath he swore to his lord and to the justice any man is owed.

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, for the heck of it I took a stab at Scyrr. Tell me to withdraw and I will. Should I make him more aggressive?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Okay, for the heck of it I took a stab at Scyrr. Tell me to withdraw and I will. Should I make him more aggressive?

I think it was fine. I mean Scyrr can't be a totally evil person or a baddie rotten all through for then he would not be here and a sergeant of Athanar's guard. That said he clearly has an attitude-problem - and the situation at the Mead Hall doesn't exactly help as he is partly trying to keep the side of those he thinks his own against those who to him seem to try and unjustifiably force the lordship from his lord and dishonour him and his mates (like Folwren put Thornden to reminisce: the "locals" tried to kill him on the second day and some still held those wanna-be murderers their heroes).

I mean let's not make him a caricature even if he isn't one of the nicest persons around... (Which means, no let''s not make him any more aggressive. What you wrote lmp, I think was fine.)

A few comments about the coming scenarios a bit later.