Discriminatory in Valinor?

[Rhod the Red]

I'd say it's either an outright racist reason(anti-Human paranoia) or it's a kind of literalist Creationism reason; IE; Humans are the Third Kind, the Third Race to be created. But created in the Middle-earth continent.

They're not native to Valinor, therefore don't deserve to move to it. And of course until the dawning of the Fourth Age, Man needs to be allowed to learn his own ways, make mistakes, etc. In preparation for the Dominion of Man.

So I'd say those are the two(3?) main reasons why.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Rhod the Red

I'd say it's either an outright racist reason(anti-Human paranoia) or it's a kikd of literalist Creationism reason; IE; Humans are the Third Kind, the Third Race to be created. But created in the Middle-earth continent.

They're not native to Valinor, therefore don't deserve to move to it. And of course until the dawning of the Fourth Age, Man needs to be allowed to learn his own ways, make mistakes, etc. In preparation for the Dominion of Man.

So I'd say those are the two(3?) main reasons why.

The Elves weren't native to Valinor either. They were moved there from Cuivienen. Many elves stopped along the march and never made it to the Blessed Realm. The Sindar and the Nandor, for instance.

[Rhod the Red]

And has there ever been a Human minority community in Valinor? No?

Overall my reason(s) still stand.

Of course it's speculative, but whatever...

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by Rhod the Red

Overall my reason(s) still stand.

Your reason does not stand (imho).

There's a brief part in Akalabeth on this subject.
I think it should answer all your questions:

And some there were who said: ‘Why should we not go even to
Aman, and taste there, were it but for a day, the bliss of the Powers? Have
we not become mighty among the people of Arda?’
The Eldar reported these words to the Valar, and Manwë was
grieved, seeing a cloud gather on the noontide of Númenor. And he sent
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messengers to the Dúnedain, who spoke earnestly to the King, and to all
who would listen, concerning the fate and fashion of the world.
‘The Doom of the World,’ they said, ‘One alone can change who
made it. And were you so to voyage that escaping all deceits and snares
you came indeed to Aman, the Blessed Realm, little would it profit you.
For it is not the land of Manwë that makes its people deathless, but the
Deathless that dwell therein have hallowed the land; and there you would
but wither and grow weary the sooner, as moths in a light too strong and
steadfast.’
But the King said: ‘And does not Eärendil, my forefather, live? Or
is he not in the land of Aman?’
To which they answered: ‘You know that he has a fate apart, and
was adjudged to the Firstborn who die not; yet this also is his doom that
he can never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people
are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Men as Ilúvatar made you. Yet it
seems that you desire now to have the good of both kindreds, to sail to
Valinor when you will, and to return when you please to your homes. That
cannot be. Nor can the Valar take away the gifts of Ilúvatar. The Eldar, you
say, are unpunished, and even those who rebelled do not die. Yet that is
to them neither reward nor punishment, but the fulfilment of their being.
They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so long
as it lasts, for its life is theirs. And you are punished for the rebellion of
Men, you say, in which you had small part, and so it is that you die. But
that was not at first appointed for a punishment. Thus you escape, and
leave the world, and are not bound to it, in hope or in weariness. Which
of us therefore should envy the others?”
And the Númenóreans answered: ‘Why should we not envy the
Valar, or even the least of the Deathless? For of us is required a blind
trust, and a hope without assurance, knowing not what lies before us in a
little while. And yet we also love the Earth and would not lose it.’
Then the Messengers said: ‘Indeed the mind of Ilúvatar concerning
you is not known to the Valar, and he has not revealed all things that are
to come. But this we hold to be true, that your home is not here, neither
in the Land of Aman nor anywhere within the Circles of the World. And
the Doom of Men, that they should depart, was at first a gift of Ilúvatar. It
became a grief to them only because coming under the shadow of Morgoth
it seemed to them that they were surrounded by a great darkness, of
which they were afraid; and some grew wilful and proud and would not
yield, until life was reft from them. We who bear the ever-mounting burden
of the years do not clearly understand this; but if that grief has returned
to trouble you, as you say, then we fear that the Shadow arises once more
and grows again in your hearts. Therefore, though you be the Dúnedain,
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fairest of Men, who escaped from the Shadow of old and fought valiantly
against it, we say to you: Beware! The will of Eru may not be gainsaid;
and the Valar bid you earnestly not to withhold the trust to which you are
called, lest soon it become again a bond by which you are constrained.
Hope rather that in the end even the least of your desires shall have fruit.
The love of Arda was set in your hearts by Ilúvatar, and he does not plant
to no purpose. Nonetheless, many ages of Men unborn may pass ere that
purpose is made known; and to you it will be revealed and not to the
Valar.’

[Mithalwen]

Also it ignores the fact that that the Undying Lands are thus because of those who dwell there (immortal ainur and elves) the lands themselves don't have the inherent property to make mortals immortal. Mortals can't become immortal simply by landing there anymore than jumping in the sea is going to to turn me into a fish.

[Belegorn]

Valinor is the place best suited to the Elves. We see how the fading in M-E affects them. In fact the reason Sauron was able to ensnare the Gwaith-i-Mirdain into the making of Rings of Power was because of this desire to almost stop time and to create Valinor in M-E. We can see it in the use that Galadriel and Elrond put their Rings to. When the power of the 3 was broken those lands faded. Is it discriminatory, sure. I, however, am not one who thinks different people are suited to have what everyone else has and have no problem with a land for the Elves. Just as Numenor was a realm for the higher Men. When I use discrimate I use it as "a distinction", not in it's pejorative connotation.

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by Belegorn

Is it discriminatory, sure.

I like to say: All the creatures have the equal rights to live, but they are not all equal.
Same for the real world of middle earth, or fictional humanized spheroidal earth.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rhod the Red

I'd say it's either an outright racist reason(anti-Human paranoia) or it's a kind of literalist Creationism reason; IE; Humans are the Third Kind, the Third Race to be created. But created in the Middle-earth continent.

They're not native to Valinor, therefore don't deserve to move to it. And of course until the dawning of the Fourth Age, Man needs to be allowed to learn his own ways, make mistakes, etc. In preparation for the Dominion of Man.

So I'd say those are the two(3?) main reasons why.

There is a critical difference between Middle-earth and the Undying Lands. The latter are, well, undying. Men are mortal. Mortals do not belong in an immortal environment, at least not for long periods of time.
The Valar were concerned that the Númenóreans, if allowed to taste immortality, would desire it that much more, which would lead to chronic discontentment, and then to evil. Of course, that happened anyway, though Sauron was a prime mover in that.

I suppose one could argue that the mortal members of the Fellowship suffered no adverse effects in Lórien. However, they were there only a short period, and Galadriel's version of the Blessed Realm was in the end just a copy, and had to have been somewhat different from the real thing.