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R. · 10-09-2012, 08:39 AM

The Great Eagles maybe ?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-10-2012, 07:55 AM

Any reasons for that?

I suggest, for future reference, to post at least some short summary, or main points why you think it might fit - it might also help you because then I can show where the thinking went wrong, and perhaps can help you correct it.

Also, since this is this type of question, I would prefer any possible answers to include at least a note on what are the "first, second and third" mentioned in the riddle. If you guess correctly, then you should be able to figure out. It is not a necessary requirement to be absolutely sure with all three, if your answer is right, I will accept it anyway, but it would be better so it isn't just random guessing...

But no, "The Great Eagles" is not the answer.

Galadriel55 · 10-13-2012, 12:16 PM

For lack of any intelligent guess, I'll just analyze the riddle. Maybe something will come into my head while I'm writing.

To first of you, I'm just a tale, - the fact that it's "just" a tale brings me to the conclusion that they've never met, but the first of you has heard about the speaker
told by the skies, - Legate's comments make it sound like it is literally told by the skies, and the fact that it's specifically the sky is important
as they unveil - I was going for a canonical mention of unveiling, but I might have been overreaching here. It could just be a way of saying "revealing".
mysteries hidden long ago. - it's the mystery part that's troubling.

To second one, who's bigger still
than me, I'm first a fear until
I show him I can bring your friends;
his trust shall be of importance. - this verse sounds like the most straightforward thing in this riddle.

And to the third, whom you don't know,
I enlighten the terror's night, - the word enlighten is botherig me a bit - shed light or knowledge, or, in a wordplay, could be to make less heavy. Judging purely by the wording of the sentence, it sounds more like sheding light.
and in mine and the Other's - not one, not three, but two of them.
flight - to fly or to flee? I certainly hope it's not a flight of stairs, because that makes no sense.
I save more than the tale did show. - I'm wondering if this is a bit of poetic license or the "tale" really didn't appreciate the flight enough. Also, could it be the same tale as was referred to in the beginning? Hmm.

As a random guess, could it by the Sun or the Moon? No it couldn't. The first and third stanza could fit, the second fits with a stretch. And who exactly is bigger? Erm...never mind. (that's the general outline of my thought process for the past few days...)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-14-2012, 11:47 AM

Evaluation of the above: this was absolutely perfect analysis of the riddle (of course there are places where further clarification would help more, but as it is, I cannot find any flaws in the analysis). I don't have anything to add to that and comment on. The "thinking aloud" and analysis of why something might mean something and what could it be and all the questions are also going in pretty right directions. So the only thing that remains is basically to find the concrete and specific subject(s) of the riddle

R. · 10-15-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Any reasons for that?

I suggest, for future reference, to post at least some short summary, or main points why you think it might fit - it might also help you because then I can show where the thinking went wrong, and perhaps can help you correct it.

Also, since this is this type of question, I would prefer any possible answers to include at least a note on what are the "first, second and third" mentioned in the riddle. If you guess correctly, then you should be able to figure out. It is not a necessary requirement to be absolutely sure with all three, if your answer is right, I will accept it anyway, but it would be better so it isn't just random guessing...

But no, "The Great Eagles" is not the answer.

Oh my apologies I didn't really understand the thread, plus I couldn't possibly hope to answer as eloquent or articulately as most of the other members. SORRY

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-16-2012, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by r.j.c.

Oh my apologies I didn't really understand the thread, plus I couldn't possibly hope to answer as eloquent or articulately as most of the other members. SORRY

It doesn't have to be that eloquent, and it isn't really required to post the explanation of everything. Only I prefer it (especially in this case) so that I know people aren't just throwing around random words.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-20-2012, 09:28 AM

So, does this need some hint?

I could give you even a very BIG hint, but I wonder if that's what should be done.

Galadriel55 · 10-20-2012, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So, does this need some hint?

I could give you even a very BIG hint, but I wonder if that's what should be done.

Well, I haven't forgotten about this, I just don't have any better ideas. So I suppose a hint would help. I'm not sure if it calls for a big hint, but a small one would be nice.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-20-2012, 01:33 PM

Small one... okay.

I do not know how to phrase this, but let's say for example this and see whether it is enough of a hint

Very much of the riddle, or, very many things, phrases, which could be metaphorical, are in fact literal. Not all of them, but certainly more than half of the riddle can be understood literally

10-09-2012, 08:39 AM	#1
R. Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2008 Location: In the belly of the beast Posts: 26	The Great Eagles maybe ? __________________ In The Belly Of The BEAST

10-10-2012, 07:55 AM	#2
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Any reasons for that? I suggest, for future reference, to post at least some short summary, or main points why you think it might fit - it might also help you because then I can show where the thinking went wrong, and perhaps can help you correct it. Also, since this is this type of question, I would prefer any possible answers to include at least a note on what are the "first, second and third" mentioned in the riddle. If you guess correctly, then you should be able to figure out. It is not a necessary requirement to be absolutely sure with all three, if your answer is right, I will accept it anyway, but it would be better so it isn't just random guessing... But no, "The Great Eagles" is not the answer. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-13-2012, 12:16 PM	#3
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,531	For lack of any intelligent guess, I'll just analyze the riddle. Maybe something will come into my head while I'm writing. To first of you, I'm just a tale, - the fact that it's "just" a tale brings me to the conclusion that they've never met, but the first of you has heard about the speaker told by the skies, - Legate's comments make it sound like it is literally told by the skies, and the fact that it's specifically the sky is important as they unveil - I was going for a canonical mention of unveiling, but I might have been overreaching here. It could just be a way of saying "revealing". mysteries hidden long ago. - it's the mystery part that's troubling. To second one, who's bigger still than me, I'm first a fear until I show him I can bring your friends; his trust shall be of importance. - this verse sounds like the most straightforward thing in this riddle. And to the third, whom you don't know, I enlighten the terror's night, - the word enlighten is botherig me a bit - shed light or knowledge, or, in a wordplay, could be to make less heavy. Judging purely by the wording of the sentence, it sounds more like sheding light. and in mine and the Other's - not one, not three, but two of them. flight - to fly or to flee? I certainly hope it's not a flight of stairs, because that makes no sense. I save more than the tale did show. - I'm wondering if this is a bit of poetic license or the "tale" really didn't appreciate the flight enough. Also, could it be the same tale as was referred to in the beginning? Hmm. As a random guess, could it by the Sun or the Moon? No it couldn't. The first and third stanza could fit, the second fits with a stretch. And who exactly is bigger? Erm...never mind. (that's the general outline of my thought process for the past few days...) __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

10-14-2012, 11:47 AM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Evaluation of the above: this was absolutely perfect analysis of the riddle (of course there are places where further clarification would help more, but as it is, I cannot find any flaws in the analysis). I don't have anything to add to that and comment on. The "thinking aloud" and analysis of why something might mean something and what could it be and all the questions are also going in pretty right directions. So the only thing that remains is basically to find the concrete and specific subject(s) of the riddle __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-20-2012, 09:28 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	So, does this need some hint? I could give you even a very BIG hint, but I wonder if that's what should be done. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-20-2012, 01:33 PM	#9
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Small one... okay. I do not know how to phrase this, but let's say for example this and see whether it is enough of a hint Very much of the riddle, or, very many things, phrases, which could be metaphorical, are in fact literal. Not all of them, but certainly more than half of the riddle can be understood literally __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

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