Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[satansaloser2005]

Okay. Calmer now. Although, hold on. Shasta's a gifted, and Boro too? If Phantom makes three, Gal deserves a prize from me four having the best taste in gifted selection.

EDIT: x'd since #142

[Inziladun]

I find it difficult to see a Borondil putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

x/d with Morsul

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I find it difficult to see a B]Borondil[/B] putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

Though, if he were Elendil, his oh-so-famous post makes a whole 'nother level of sense: Elendil specifically telling his Dreamer how to tell him the role of the Dreamed.

EDIT: xed with tp.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Though, if he were Elendil, his oh-so-famous post makes a whole 'nother level of sense: Elendil specifically telling his Dreamer how to tell him the role of the Dreamed.

EDIT: xed with tp.

Not to mention, specifically telling the Dreamer who *he* is.

EDIT: xed with Zil.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Boro gone. A gifted. but which one? if I'm reading into the narration right it's Isildur?

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeah- that's definitely what I'm thinking.

And I seem to remember someone *ahem* being told that his idea was horrible- the idea about Isildur just going ahead and using his Gift on the Day 1 lynch, because he was probably innocent. Well... The lynch was innocent and Isildur is now dead.

I did not specify which gifted it is and I am not planning to. I do not believe "drinking water" refers to either of the gifteds' gifts, and neither should you. The narration does not hint at the role, and is not supposed to - so I'm warning all of you now, before you all get crazy about some detail there and start arguing if it's Isildur or Elendil or Anarion: the story in the narration is irrelevant to Boro's role, so don't try to look for clues and hints in it.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Moddes

The narration does not hint at the role, and is not supposed to

Bleh. Since he was weaponless I assumed not the Ranger and since he drowned I figured "Isildur in the Anduin".... but apparently not.

So in other words- possibly Elendil is dead?

[the phantom]

Well double crap- actually that makes some sense then. I just realized....

IF Boro assumed that the KMs would logically gun for Elendil until he was dead, then perhaps the safest thing to do would be to hint that you were a dreamer, because then it's a guarantee that you aren't Elendil!

Ugh...

Okay- I'm going to reread a bit...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Bleh. Since he was weaponless I assumed not the Ranger and since he drowned I figured "Isildur in the Anduin".... but apparently not.

So in other words- possibly Elendil is dead?

Possibly.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

Shasta's a gifted, and Boro too? If Phantom makes three, Gal deserves a prize from me four having the best taste in gifted selection.

Ah, she must've based her Gifted selections on charm.

So- the KMs are probably socially awkward types.

I'm interested in debating guilt/innocence based on this premise and seeing how long it can go before things get ugly...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

I find it difficult to see a B]Borondil[/b] putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

Oh, definitely. No way would he have done that as Elendil. Elendil doesn't have to do anything remotely risky. I realize there's the double-bluff angle, but given the importance of the role I don't think Boro would be one to make that particular bluff.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Though, if he were Elendil, his oh-so-famous post makes a whole 'nother level of sense: Elendil specifically telling his Dreamer how to tell him the role of the Dreamed.
....
Not to mention, specifically telling the Dreamer who *he* is.

He definitely wouldn't do that, seeing as for all Elendil knows the person he sent his first dream to was a KM. Reveal to them and game over. He'd want to avoid identification at all costs at that stage- before Amandil has gotten a chance to check his recipient.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

He definitely wouldn't do that, seeing as for all Elendil knows the person he sent his first dream to was a KM. Reveal to them and game over. He'd want to avoid identification at all costs at that stage- before Amandil has gotten a chance to check his recipient.

Fair point. Unless Borendil had somehow managed to send his first dream to Shastarion, he would have had no way of knowing - and actually, we didn't even know Shastarion was Anarion yet. I'd forgotten that bit.

EDIT: xed with Morsul and tp.

[Morsul the Dark]

I've been trying to figure out Phantom's vote.

With Phantom clearly innocent I'm wondering if he saw something we didn't... Phantom really only mentions Lottie once saying her post #57 is odd. Then goes and votes her. May have just been a day 1 throw away vote but otherwise I can't see a reason.

x'ed with Eonwe 3x

[Pomegranate]

Lottie-votes are hardly suspicious, as the two people who cast them are known innocents (Boro and phantom).

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm not saying they're suspicious. I'm wondering what they saw that was suspicious enough for a vote. Lottie looks fine to me so far but I'm wondering if I'm missing something they saw is my point.

[Pomegranate]

Sorry, Morsul, I was reacting to Steve's post rather than yours ^^

Agh. I should be voting pretty much now, and I feel I'm going to be badly off due to the fact that we haven't heard of phantom and his dream (or none?) yet. I think I'll go for one of the three late Eomer-voters, for I don't think I have time and energy to go through everyone today and I'm pretty sure there's at least one KM in there.

The problem is, all of them look decent to me at the moment - or at least reasonable in the way they've seemed reasonable to me before. However, there's something in sally's behaviour that's fishy - the same fishy as always or a wolfy one, I dare not say, but fishy anyways.

Indeed, Morsul was relatively jumpy. However, I feel like that's something that is easy to grab as a wolf and start elaborating from that. And, not knowing Morsul outside of this game, his logic would still seem valid enough, and I feel like sally's tearing it apart just for the sake of the process. Also there was a lot of suspicion towards Morsul yesterday - maybe sally's following from that, assuming that it will be easy enough to get people to hunt Morsul down.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Clearly. But which was your reason, Morsul? Were you doing it because you thought I was guilty, because I was “bandwagoning” on you, or because you wanted to save Eomer? If it’s the third, why not just vote Steve? Oh, right. He looked fishy to you yesterDay but not vote-worthy. Why is that? If you were so concerned about saving Eomer, why go for a case that depended on Dun not following through with information instead of putting Steve further in the lead to protect Eomer?

Did you read what Morsul wrote? He assumed that Eomer was a seer and you were guilty, these two parts of the same set of interpretations? It would make sense to vote for you then instead of Steve. Two relatively reachable goals at once - saving the seer, lynching a KM.

[Morsul the Dark]

So Nerwen posts a bit discussing Phantom's plan.

A while later posts her list then mentions suspicions on me but doesn't vote me because it'd be bad to bring another candidate forward.

Ends up not voting at all.

Not much to go on rather careful and with no vote nothing to really discuss about her. the play first day was very clean. As I've said before almost too clean.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Okay. Calmer now. Although, hold on. Shasta's a gifted, and Boro too? If Phantom makes three, Gal deserves a prize from me four having the best taste in gifted selection.

EDIT: x'd since #142

highlighting mine
remind me to ask Sally in post game if this was a typo or hint...

I didn't catch this first time round don't know if anyone else noticed it...

Sorry rereading Lottie happened to notice. Maybe hindsight...20.20 thing

[Loslote]

It's been quiet for too long. Might as well get the ball rolling. From what I can tell, we've come to pretty clear consensus in favor of (or, well, in favor of lynching) Steve. Correct?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

It's been quiet for too long. Might as well get the ball rolling. From what I can tell, we've come to pretty clear consensus in favor of (or, well, in favor of lynching) Steve. Correct?

I was about to say the same thing. I was interested to see if Steve would make any effort to defend himself.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Inzil

I was about to say the same thing. I was interested to see if Steve would make any effort to defend himself.

It's interesting, I think most people have placed him as their prime lynch candidate, yet he hasn't given the slightest reaction to the possibility that he might get lynched.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'll be back before DL to vote but I'm out for a bit. See if Steve can make a compelling argument(That would meanLottie Manwe, I'd be surprised

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was about to say the same thing. I was interested to see if Steve would make any effort to defend himself.

In what way? There aren't really any suspicions I can defend myself against. And if you really think my death will tell you a lot, then maybe it's worth it for the village.

[Inziladun]

Well, I thought you might want to address this or this.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, I thought you might want to address this or this.

The only claims they make are based on interpretation of certain events, so there's not really any proof as such either way.

In Brinn's post, I don't know why Nerwen voted Pom over me. I don't see how I can address that. As for the last part, I already explained my process of elimation at the time:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

General comments: There's not going to be time for me to look through everyone, it seems. Manwe has said too little anyway, so there's not much I can say. Morsul seems just like a very skittish innocent at the moment, because I imagine a wolf would be more concerned with convincing others than himself. So that leaves Nerwen, Zil and Lottie for me to look at, and even then, only briefly (half an hour to DL).

None of them seemed particularly innocent, so those were the options I had.


In Phantom's post, the only thing I can address is why I ended up voting after the deadline. I didn't mean to, obviously, but since there were quite a few people who seemed to suspect "x and steve", I thought it would be best to wait. I couldn't bring myself to vote Sally, after my analysis of her found her innocent, so I voted for my top suspect at the time, you.