Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:04 PM

Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite.
If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly.
Hm.

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite.
If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly.
Hm.

I would say Elendil can reveal himself well enough. We'd trust a convincing Isildur or Anarion reveal - why should we need someone else to collaborate an Elendil reveal? I think the most good we got out of Amandil's death was the confirmation of your own innocence, Zil - revealing Elendil before it's necessary would be dangerous and, I think, not worth the risk.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

I would say Elendil can reveal himself well enough. We'd trust a convincing Isildur or Anarion reveal - why should we need someone else to collaborate an Elendil reveal? I think the most good we got out of Amandil's death was the confirmation of your own innocence, Zil - revealing Elendil before it's necessary would be dangerous and, I think, not worth the risk.

Yeah, I agree. I'm just trying all the angles so I don't miss something.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 04:10 PM

Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target.

Ok then.

Looks like there's not a lot of room for doubt on toDay's vote, anyway. Lottie's truthfulness is easy enough to prove. I would have expected a bit more fight from a Nerwolf, though.

Galadriel55 · 12-02-2012, 04:13 PM

Still need to figure some things out. I'm leaving for a couple hours, and I don't want this to come as a big surprise right before DL.

Elendil cannot anymore send dreams to known innocents.

Anarion cannot protect himself.

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

Isildur - can't really think of a way to simplify this one. If I take anything away from him he'll be an ordo.

This is a tentative version, as I am still waiting for something.

I'm sorry all. I know I should have thought of all this before the game started. I guess I didn't think the logistics through well enough. It was definitelly planned for a bigger village. I appreciate any feedback in my PM box; I'll get back to it as soon as I come home again.

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

How would this work retroactively?

EDIT: xed with ZIl

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

x/d with Steve and Lottie

Eönwë · 12-02-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we do believe you.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:22 PM

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Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we do believe you.

Other than the fact that he was a known Gifted, and said he was Amandil.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:27 PM

I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless.

Eönwë · 12-02-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless.

It's not about not trusting you or Shasta. It's about the fact that the whole point of the game is that their's no certainty of gifted roles.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 04:33 PM

But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything.

(The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.)

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we believe.

Exactly.

(looking at the rules...)

12-02-2012, 04:04 PM	#1
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite. If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly. Hm. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-02-2012, 04:10 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 04:13 PM	#6
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,525	This is the tentative version of the change... Still need to figure some things out. I'm leaving for a couple hours, and I don't want this to come as a big surprise right before DL. Elendil cannot anymore send dreams to known innocents. Anarion cannot protect himself. Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo. Isildur - can't really think of a way to simplify this one. If I take anything away from him he'll be an ordo. This is a tentative version, as I am still waiting for something. I'm sorry all. I know I should have thought of all this before the game started. I guess I didn't think the logistics through well enough. It was definitelly planned for a bigger village. I appreciate any feedback in my PM box; I'll get back to it as soon as I come home again. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

12-02-2012, 04:27 PM	#11
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-02-2012, 04:33 PM	#13
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything. (The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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