Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

x/d with Steve and Lottie

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we do believe you.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we do believe you.

Other than the fact that he was a known Gifted, and said he was Amandil.

[Inziladun]

I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I realize it's a self-serving argument, but why would Shasta have lied? Amandil's only gift was having the identity of one of his heirs made known. Without knowing who Amandil is, it's meaningless.

It's not about not trusting you or Shasta. It's about the fact that the whole point of the game is that their's no certainty of gifted roles.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

It's not about not trusting you or Shasta. It's about the fact that the whole point of the game is that their's no certainty of gifted roles.

True. My point though is that we know Shasta was innocent, and I see no reason for an innocent to falsely claim to be Amandil. Like I said, that defeats the purpose of the role.

[the phantom]

Okay, so I cannot receive a dream, Brin cannot receive a dream, and Inzil cannot receive a dream. Also, Anarion cannot self-protect. Those are the pertinent points here, and they are worth considering for the sake of strategy...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

True. My point though is that we know Shasta was innocent, and I see no reason for an innocent to falsely claim to be Amandil. Like I said, that defeats the purpose of the role.

I really don't think anyone doubts that Shasta was Amandil. I put him as that in my list because I think it's pretty much agreed that that was the case. But since the Moddess said she wouldn't give any information about gifted roles then she didn't.

I think we can move on from this discussion (which isn't really a discussion, just the three of us agreeing), because it's pretty clear you're not going to be forced to retract your 'dream'.

Originally Posted by the phantom

But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything.

(The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.)

This is totally going to turn into a philosophical discussion, isn't it? Where's Noggie when you need to discuss epistemology?


edit: x-ed since my last

[the phantom]

But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything.

(The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.)

[Eönwë]

This is what I meant to post with my last post. Bolding mine.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

-Amandil. Upon his death the Valar grant him a boon, and so the identity (but not exact role) of the next in his line (Elendil, or if he’s dead then Isildur...) is revealed to a randomly selected ordo immediately after his death.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The receiver of the dream sees “King’s Man”, “ordo”, or “gifted” – not a gifted’s specific role.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

SPECIAL NOTE: the narrations will NOT reveal a gifted’s role.

edit: x-ed with the last two posts.

[Inziladun]

In line with Steve's last, I'll say that I don't know who is Elendil or Isildur. I only have the name of which player has one of those roles.

x/d with phantom

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Steve

Well, I assume it's since there's no definitive proof that Shasta was Amandil, even if we believe.

Exactly.

(looking at the rules...)