Radagast in The Hobbit Film (SPOILERS) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 01-03-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhod the Red

Emissary has an official inference though, the Istari's mission was secret. The casual reader would think otherwise because the word 'emissary'. That was the point I was making.

Emissary comes from the Latin "sent out". Among its meanings are spy and secret agent. Speculative casual reader may have been thinking of embassy possibly.

Nerwen · 01-03-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

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Originally Posted by Rhod the Red
Emissary has an official inference though, the Istari's mission was secret. The casual reader would think otherwise because the word 'emissary'. That was the point I was making.

Emissary comes from the Latin "sent out". Among its meanings are spy and secret agent. Speculative casual reader may have been thinking of embassy possibly.

Yes, like many words, it has a lot of meanings, and shades of meaning. You can't just arbitrarily decide one of them is the only true one– and then get outraged that other people don't follow your personal usage.

Mithalwen · 01-03-2013, 05:59 PM

However you chastised the use of emissary on the grounds that the Istari were on a secret mission.

Boromir88 · 01-04-2013, 08:20 AM

For Radagast, I enjoyed how he kind of dropped out and disappeared from the first movie. It's fitting considering his book character. I hope he's dropped out of the movies for good, but I doubt it.

Rhod the Red · 01-04-2013, 08:24 AM

Can I ask, are you saying you would prefer him to have been excluded from presentation in this/these films?

If PJ were purist there'd be only 1 scene of him, in the Fellowship of the Ring. Are you sure that's the way it ought to be, if it is?

Nogrod · 01-03-2013, 06:00 PM

I don't care that much about Radagast's uncleanliness or the status of his dwelling... what bothered me about Radagast in the movie was that he was potrayed as a kind of a cartoon-retard mad scientist ("Rabbits of Rhosgobel" are not that far away from Bugs Bunny) comic relief - and then adding his part in actually being an informant in grave matters looked soo fabricated.

I mean you can be immersed with nature and turn into a hermit with idiosyncratic stuff, sure, and Tolkien's portrayal of Radagast gives every license to that reading of him as a character, but as one of the Maiar it is hard for me to see him as what PJ and his team made him; but needing someone to be laughed at - like Gimli in the LotR.

01-03-2013, 05:59 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	However you chastised the use of emissary on the grounds that the Istari were on a secret mission. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-04-2013, 08:20 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	For Radagast, I enjoyed how he kind of dropped out and disappeared from the first movie. It's fitting considering his book character. I hope he's dropped out of the movies for good, but I doubt it. __________________ Fenris Penguin

01-04-2013, 08:24 AM	#5
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	Can I ask, are you saying you would prefer him to have been excluded from presentation in this/these films? If PJ were purist there'd be only 1 scene of him, in the Fellowship of the Ring. Are you sure that's the way it ought to be, if it is? __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia Last edited by Rhod the Red; 01-04-2013 at 08:27 AM. Reason: expansion

01-03-2013, 06:00 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I don't care that much about Radagast's uncleanliness or the status of his dwelling... what bothered me about Radagast in the movie was that he was potrayed as a kind of a cartoon-retard mad scientist ("Rabbits of Rhosgobel" are not that far away from Bugs Bunny) comic relief - and then adding his part in actually being an informant in grave matters looked soo fabricated. I mean you can be immersed with nature and turn into a hermit with idiosyncratic stuff, sure, and Tolkien's portrayal of Radagast gives every license to that reading of him as a character, but as one of the Maiar it is hard for me to see him as what PJ and his team made him; but needing someone to be laughed at - like Gimli in the LotR. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

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