WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Coppermirror]

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Copper

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

Yeah Gil worries me, but I'm also worried about spreading out the votes too much.

[A Little Green]

Anyone else for Boro? I will vote Morsul over Rikae if it comes to that but would prefer Boro.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm currently considering Morsul or Boro as things are getting late. But with the latter, I hate the idea of voting for Boro after someone I suspect as much as Gil has encouraged voted for him.

I think I concur.

++Gil

His voting is highly suspect, and he could tell us much about others, maybe.

Someone join me so this vote is not for nothing.

x/d with all since # 407

[Nogrod]

Torn between voting for Rikae to have her way or to try Boro (who fits both the idea the Wizards thought Volo the seer and looks suspicious toDay - and might be lynched...)

EDIT: X'd with a lot...

[A Little Green]

I'll be cannon fodder toMorrow if he dies and turns out innocent, but I'm willing to take that risk.

++ Boro

[Nogrod]

++ Boro


Here we go and hopefully see more toMorrow...

[satansaloser2005]

Slow!Sally is slow. Sorry, Kath. >.<

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

DEADLINE.

Stop posting. Boro is lynched. Narration to follow shortly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

After the discovery of the mysterious letter in Vol's pocket, much of the night was spent by discussing its contents. The trolls had to take turn in attempts to read it for the others, since neither of the troll knew all the letters. Bane, who could not read at all, soon became bored. He excused himself (actually, he just walked out of the cave, since trolls are not big for excuses) and went off hunting. Similarly bored, Shaz had fallen asleep again.

Rick had been reading Vol's note for already who-knows-manieth time, when some of the trolls finally were able to focus their brains on something else than just the different letters.

"I wonder how comes Rick can read so well," Nog observed.
"Lumme, if I knows!" said Rick, looking up from the note.
"What if she's a wizzer?" Nerve suggested.
"If I am a wizzer?" Rick asked inattentively.
"She said 'I am a wizzer!'" Mors yelled. "She's a wizzer!"
"I was jus' repeatin' what you said," Rick retorted. "You lot said if I'm a wizzer..."
"Again!" shouted Nerve. "She said it again!"
"It's pretty strange," Bore chimed in, "tha' she says 'I'm a wizzer'..."
"Bore's a wizzer!" shouted Gil. "He jus' said it!"
"Wha', did I say I'm a wizzer?" asked Bore, confused.
"'e said it again!" shouted Green. "Let's get 'im!"
Before Bore could react, Nog and Brin caught him by the arms and pinned him to the wall.
"Wha' are you gonna do with me?" Bore yelled.
"Hey, righ', what should we do with 'im?" Lad asked.
"I'm hungry again," said Kat. "What if we roasted him?"

Everyone seemed to like the idea, since the trolls are almost always thinking about food, unless they are trying to concentrate on something else very hard, like reading. They began gathering fuel and started bringing it into the cave. They left Bore in front of the cave, tied by several very thick ropes so that he won't escape. The gathering of fuel took pretty long, because the trolls needed a big fire to roast Bore.

"Hey, careful," Sal suddenly said, noticing light glow in the east. "The sun will get up soon." She was right, the trolls had spent most of the night by trying to read the letters in Vol's note one by one, then again long time discovering what it meant, and then again long time gathering wood.

"Everyone inside!" Lad yelled in fear. Forgetting about everything in the view of the dreaded daylight coming soon, the trolls all ran into the cave.
"Where's Bane?" Cop asked suddenly.
"'e went a-'untin'," said Cab.
"But he's really bad in findin' his way," said Lot.
"He won't make it," Brin added.

He didn't. And neither did Bore, who in the general confusion was left in front of the cave, in plain daylight, which soon came streaming onto the mountain slopes. Bore cried in pain, then stopped still, and remained still forever, turned into stone.

Somewhere on the edge of the forest, not that far from the cave, but too late to return home from his hunt, stood Bane, also turned into a boulder he always had been.


~*~


Dumb and Dead
Thinlómien, "Lom", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Legate of Amon Lanc, "Leg", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Pomegranate, "Pom", a Wizard, boiled and eaten on Day 1
Ozban, "Oz", an Ordinary Troll, crushed to death by a troll pyramid on Day 2
Volo, "Vol", Traitor Troll, magically opened up like a door on Night 3
Bane Mantra, "Bane", an Ordinary Troll, turned into stone while hunting (modfired) on Day 3
Boromir88, "Bore", Ordinary Troll, forgotten outside the cave and turned into stone on Day 3

Dumb and Walking
A Little Green, "Green"
Brinniel, "Brin"
Coppermirror, "Cop"
Gil-Galad, "Gil"
Inziladun, "Lad"
Kath, "Kat"
Loslote, "Lot"
McCaber, "Cab"
Morsul the Dark, "Mors"
Nerwen, "Nerve"
Nogrod, "Nog"
Rikae, "Rick"
satansaloser2005, "Sal"
Shastanis Althreduin, "Shaz"


~*~


Night 4 starts. Wizzers, start talking. Clever Troll, Insomniac, Purse-troll, send us your picks. Others, sleep.

[Thinlómien]

By now, dear readers, you must be familiar with how this story goes. The trolls go to sleep as the sun rises, and the wizards go out and enjoy the daylight and the birdsong. They speak words that sound wise, they argue and in the end, they decide which one of the trolls they find the most menacing.

Then they creep back to the troll cave and one of them says something - usually something quite obvious - such as: "Okay, let's kill this one."
"But how?" someone asks, because wizards enjoy listening to their own voices, and those of their intelligent fellows.

So this day, one of the wizards pointed out: "See the sleeping bag she is using as her blanket?"
"Stolen from some poor traveler, no doubt," spat the second one. "It's barely large enough to cover her belly. Maybe it once belonged to some merchant or a merry elf who met a dreadful fate."
"A precious work, it must have been, before this beast dirtied it," opined the third. "Look at those finely shaped silver studs that were used to hold it together."
"Exactly," interjected the first wizard with a grim smile. "Watch."

He stepped closer, raised his staff and began to sing in a deep, quiet voice. First, nothing happened, but then, as if by a stir of the wind, the blanket - or actually, the sleeping bag - shifted, and then slid upwards, and wrapped itself tight around the troll's chest and throat like a strangling snake. The wizard clapped his hands, and as if commanded, the studs clicked into their places and the sleeping bag squeezed the troll, her chest and her throat pressed to the point that the sleeping bag would have burst, had it not been held together by an invisible force. The troll was now awake, her bulging eyes popping out, but she could not make a sound, not even gasp for air. She struggled in vain, the studs held, as the sleeping bag continued squeezing her, and at last, she stopped struggling and became still.

"That's done," the wizard smiled and turned to his fellows.
"How impressive," the second one nodded.
"How did you come by this idea?" asked the third.
"I once gave a friend a set of magical studs that fastened and never came unfastened until commanded," the first said. "But this troll would never have had the chance to unfasten those."

The wizards walked back into the shadows, sniggering under their beards.

When they woke up in the evening, the rest of the trolls found Brin's body. They searched the corner in which she slept. Hidden underneath her straw bedding, they found a small slab of flat stone, inscribed with complicated geographic data, philosophical thoughts and mathematical operations:

"Cave haz entrance."

"I am. Hungry."

"1+1=2"

There could be no doubt - Brin had been the Clever Troll.


~*~


Dumb and Dead
Thinlómien, "Lom", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Legate of Amon Lanc, "Leg", dispatched by the Wizards as a threat on Night 1
Pomegranate, "Pom", a Wizard, boiled and eaten on Day 1
Ozban, "Oz", an Ordinary Troll, crushed to death by a troll pyramid on Day 2
Volo, "Vol", the Traitor Troll, magically opened up like a door on Night 3
Bane Mantra, "Bane", an Ordinary Troll, turned into stone while hunting (modfired) on Day 3
Boromir88, "Bore", an Ordinary Troll, forgotten outside the cave and turned into stone on Day 3
Brinniel, "Brin", the Clever Troll, strangled to death with the assistance of magical studs on Night4

Dumb and Walking
A Little Green, "Green"
Coppermirror, "Cop"
Gil-Galad, "Gil"
Inziladun, "Lad"
Kath, "Kat"
Loslote, "Lot"
McCaber, "Cab"
Morsul the Dark, "Mors"
Nerwen, "Nerve"
Nogrod, "Nog"
Rikae, "Rick"
satansaloser2005, "Sal"
Shastanis Althreduin, "Shaz"


~*~


Day 4 has started. No PMing anymore, but discussion is welcome on this thread instead.

[Inziladun]

Ouch.

Well, obviously Brinn's vote yesterNight should have been no cause for alarm for the Wizards. Figuring out what they saw with her should be a priority.

x/d with Cop

[Rikae]

Oh no. Man, gonna have to go back and analyze Brinn in a minute. I also want to look closely at the Boro-wagon. Just some initial thoughts before I do:

I was feeling very bad about Nerwen yesterday because she was really twisting my words - when I said so, she went and did it again even more blatantly. I'll go and find it again, however, I also have to remember not to suspect people for not making sense, something I've regretted doing in the past. We'll see.

Greenie has been making me uneasy all along, and I'd like to look more closely at her, too.

Back in a few with something more substantial.

[Rikae]

Going through everything from the beginningwith an eye to all the now-known roles.Commenting as I read, so my opinions evolve through the post.

Day 1

First off, wow, I didn't notice this from Loslote on day 1:

Originally Posted by Loslote

An' what's Kat doin' singin' 'bout Wizers of Oz? She sayin' Oz is a Wizer? You know sommut we don'?

Yeah, this is still in the banter zone, but even so, how is that a good thing for an innocent to say? I thought the same thing but didn't mention it until I no longer thought so! A wizard might say it, though, hoping to get people interested in an Oz lynch.

I keep thinking about the ranger save on night two, and how someone must have done something in day one that would have looked seerish to both the wizard and the ranger. Yes, I think they were going for the seer then, because the odds of a ranger save are so low by chance alone -there must be something. Mind you, I'm not trying to out the ranger! Shut up, ranger.
I am not sure, though, whether the seer had a dream before day 1. I assume so because we started with a night phase, but maybe a mod can clear that up?
It kind of looks as though Morsul and Pom are trying to interact with each other a little bit. He says he always suspects her, she asks if that means he will now, he says no, he doesn't want to have tunnel vision, and later says that her suggestion (pro-banter) is good. Looks like he's maybe trying to excuse himself from ignoring her preemptively. I could be reading too much into this, though.

Weirdly, in #29 McCaber says Inzil "defended" Pom, when actually Inzil was kind of doing the opposite, saying Pom didn't make a good suggestion but just a standard day 1 statement. Probably an honest mistake on Cab's part although it jumped out at me as weird even at the time. Defends, really? Why did Cab think Pom was under attack in the first place? It's weird.

Sally is bantering up a storm and really, really under the radar. In fact, I keep forgetting she's in this game, which isn't the usual case with her. As a matter of fact, there is half a page of banter between Sally, Nerwen and Copper. Don't get me wrong, it's funny banter! However, Brinn puts a stop to it and talks about hating day 1 and baddies using banter as a distraction.

Brinn says I "seem the most genuine" (something I thought a little odd at the time because I hadn't done anything but banter myself) and that Pom "seems okay as well, for now". The "for now" is seerish in retrospect, at least. I suppose I wouldn't have been an unlikely night 1 dream. Brinn also criticizes Copper's and Morsul's votes, but votes for Nerwen, saying "I don't feel terribly confident in my vote" and emphasizing that it is "weak reasoning". Because of this I'm inclined to think she hadn't dreamed of Nerwen at that point and wanted to emphasize that for someone reading after her death. A badly reasoned vote for a known wiz would have been seer suicide, after all.

Gil votes for Nerwen claiming not to want to add another name, and they argue about it for another half a page. Gil's reasoning was strange there.

Pom says

Nerwen vs Gil-galad. I'm not inclined to think either of them Wizers based on this dispute. Ner jumps, but reasonably, not only because of a vote for her but because of a very strangely cast vote. And despite saying that, as well as the fact that some of Gil's explanations do indeed seem forged (coming way after the vote and slowly developing more and more elaborate), the paranoia seems more like something a typical first-day-lynch innocent would be like, rather than a Wizard. It is creating discussion and pulling attention towards him. For that, and for the sake of him, after all, being a typical first-day lynch, I'd be willing to give him a pass for the day."

Unfortunately I could see a wolf saying this about any two people of any roles in such an argument. A good way to win innocents' trust as well as defend a fellow without it standing out.

In #99 Pom defends Nerwen again, from Brinn. Would she be so obvious in defending her if Nerwen was evil? I doubt it.

Sally points out Pom's "Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.", and Inzil agrees that it's "odd".

Greenie comes in, agrees with a bunch of people, and then says of Pom "The girl's got some nerve saying this right after voting Cop herself. "
Hmm.

Lottie says:

Pom feels like she's trying to be reasonable and agreeable while actually being nothing of the sort, which makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. I'd have to say she's my top suspect right now.

Again, would a baddie at this point? Would a Lottie-baddie particularly? Maybe.

Volo says:
[quoteBrin #67 How come is Rikae genuine. All she's done is troll around cheerfully and preach that banter is useless and banter about banter more so (which is a helpful observation, but only by so much). Brin #67 How come is Rikae genuine. All she's done is troll around cheerfully and preach that banter is useless and banter about banter more so (which is a helpful observation, but only by so much). [/quote]

Now I think he's picked up on seerishness and pointing it out to the wolves, but again I may be reading too much into this.

Inzil votes for Pom, but Cab looks more likely to be lynched at this point. Lottie gives her the second vote, making Lottie look somewhat better to me. Sally ties Pom with Cab, making her look much better. Voting for a baddie isn't always so innocent-looking, but at this point there was a Cab wagon with very similar reasoning behind it that a wolf could have easily chosen.

And of course Shasta decided the lynch. Why, in fact, is he still alive? Come to think of it, eliminating someone so innocent looking (and known for being psychic) would have been a good choice, which (along with the ranger save) does lean toward them thinking they had found the seer instead.

Day 2:

Jumping right to Brinn. She says, out of Nerwen's options, t is most likely [quote=Nerwen]
[4]McCaber is innocent and Pom saw a chance to have it both ways, setting up a second line of suspicion against the other Cop voters. (Without really thinking it through.)[quote]
Although she also says #3, McCaber is guilty is possible but not very likely. She also says she doesn't think Sally and Shasta are wolf-on-wolf voters.

None of these really seems like a dream hint, except maybe the McCaber thing. I suppose it's possible she dreamed of Cab and found him innocent.

Brinn then looks at everyone in #187. She doesn't pick anyone out as particularly guilty, and Oz is the only one she outright refers to as "suspicious". It looks like she had only dreamed of innocents.

This sounds very seerish from Brinn and the wolves might have thought so:

Originally Posted by Brinn

In my previous post, I forgot to keep the cobbler in consideration. Anyone could be the cobbler and their vote and/or a baddie's opinion of them doesn't put them in the clear for that role. But I'm not going to worry much about that possibility since the cobbler isn't the easiest to identify, especially if they inadvertently help the village. And the cobbler counts as an ordo;

In #203 Brinn doesn't appear to be singling anyone out, and McCaber isn't on her most innocent list.

Day 3:

Not going to say much now because I have to go make dinner, but Brinn is now defending Morsul, and says:

Originally Posted by Brinn

Most votes went to Oz and Morsul. I wondering if maybe both these candidates were innocent. While I'm still not sure about Morsul, he hasn't struck me as particularly suspicious. I need to take a bit of a break, but I'll look more closely at yesterDay's events later.

I would think she dreamt of him, but for the "still not sure". She also defends me. She suggests that one of Sally and Shasta may be a baddie, and this is why they weren't killed. She analyzes Gil (#369) and says she's worried about Nogrod. In #376 she lists everyone again, but nothing looks like a hint to me! Perhaps she found the ranger or hunter and wants to conceal that? I don't think she found any wizard, but if she did it would be Gil, since her case against him kind of comes out of the blue. That would also explain her death, if it wasn't from general seerishness.

Ai! I wasn't here for this:

Originally Posted by Gil

I am afraid I am going to have to trust Green here that she might be the seer, and with Bore getting suspicions since day one, I am following my gut here.

++Boromir88

Talking openly about the seer, instrumental in the Boro lynch, and the seer focused on him. Gil is going to the top of my suspect list.

And then Brinn says at the end of the day:

Originally Posted by Brinn

Inzil, I would've preferred lynching Gil, but spreading out the votes seemed risky and I don't think enough suspected him for him to be lynched toDay.

Ok, now I think she dreamed of him.

EDIT: X'd with everyone since my last post.