Sauron Greater than Morgoth...

[EluThingol]

Originally Posted by Belegorn

I can agree to this for the most part. Sauron was of Aule's party and Melkor was most like Aule. I do think Sauron was his own guy however. He appeared to be into wolves, came up with a cool way to control the peoples of ME with the Rings of Power. It would have been interesting to see what kind of fell creatures the Elves would become who became enslaved to the Rings.

Sauron was definately his own guy.

When Morgoth realized he couldn't actually RULE everyone, and make his own will the will of others, and shape the entire world in his own image, he would have had it all destroyed. And I think his goal was to destroy all of Arda, not just middle earth.

Sauron on the other hand, dreamed of some kind of twisted order to things. He still wanted to be a great Lord, and because he had played the game so well against the Valar in the past, and Morgoth was gone, he would be pretty much untouchable as the Lord of Middle Earth.

Morgoth: Wanted to destroy Arda
Sauron: Wanted to be Lord of Middle Earth

I definately dont agree that Sauron's defeats were humiliating.... he lost a one on one battle with Huan, was probably one of the most powerful physical entities of the Valar under Orome and Tulkas. Otherwise he used better guile and hid himself and his plans way better than Morgoth. He singlehandedly poisoned Numenor so thoroughly that Eru decided it to erase it from the earth. Fingolfin pretty much embarassed Morgoth in single combat... like a child fighting a grown man and leaving him with a broken nose. But Sauron was crushing men and elves with ease until he lost his ring, and even after that defeat he returned.


Morgoth was certainly the greatest malevolent force in Ea, and I would actually credit Ungoliant with being 2nd in terms of destructiveness - so much so that she destroyed herself before doing any more damage to anything else.

Sauron though, was the most consistent, the trickiest, and he adapted himself every age to suit himself best without suffering too many consequences while Morgoth suffered the wrath of the Valar on a few occasions.