Hobbit Trailer looks crap

[Mithalwen]

Touch of irony no in being so judgmemtal of Barrow Downers on such a short acquaintanceship? Why not see the positives? On the whole we are an intelligent. witty bunch who reaaly know and loveTolkien. Some (not me ) really know about film. Some even like the films to a greater or lesser degree. Now I know there are Pollyanna Pangloss types ~ some I encounter on a unrelated board~ who refuse on principal to dislike things and when accused of lacking discrimination then say they like some things more. Now that ma be a therapists approved choice of language but semantically it is afine line between using liking more and less and saying like and dislike.

So you have a bunch of opinionated people but the opinions are not mindless.. If you want an unquestioning PJ lovefest you may be in the wrong place. But it is a motherlode if you have more than a superficial interest in Middle Earth. Here you will find those who have lectured and publishd on Tolkien. Again not me yet but I have loved Tolkien's worlld for a very long time now and I mind when it is demeaned.

Positives? How about that they haven't decided that making Eorn a transvestite rather than a skin changer would make him/her more relevant to modern audiences? I am thinking Grayson Perry clutching Alan Measles here....

[Arphen Silverhair]

@ Mithalwen
I think I have any right to say what my opinion about given movie/trailer is, no matter how short I am member here. And also why I think the broad majority of the people here tend to overlook that Peter Jackson is not the devil himself.
I said clearly that I dislike about the same things that most dislike about the new Trailer and about AUJ.
But I'm not hating on principle everything PJ and his Team have come up with.
Or use sarcastic statements every time they comment on the movies like you did in your post, instead of for example give your view of things I thought were quite good.
(no matter how you see it, just use a different tone)

@ Nerwen
I meant the part with fighting, sliding elves. I think Tauriel is a character who is okay.

[alatar]

Interestingly, PJ has taken a boring barrel ride and made it into a flight/chase/fight scene, because surely that's what this trilogy has been lacking. Explains why the barrel lids needed to be left in Thanduil's wine cellar.

[elvet]

Awesome trailer. I think Peter Jackson does a good job with the movies.

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Arphen Silverhair;684142]@" Mithalwen
I think I have any right to say what my opinion about given movie/trailer is, no matter how short I am member here. And also why I think the broad majority of the people here tend to overlook that Peter Jackson is not the devil himself.
I said clearly that I dislike about the same things that most dislike about the new Trailer and about AUJ.
But I'm not hating on principle everything PJ and his Team have come up with.
Or use sarcastic statements every time they comment on the movies like you did in your post, instead of for example give your view of things I thought were quite good.
(no matter how you see it, just use a different tone)"

I wasn't being sarcastic. You do have the right to post your opinions on the films. I was merely pointing out what seemed to be double standards. We have to see the best in the films but you have the right to see the worst in us on your first visit. And equally the original poster is entitled to his choice of words which while uncouth has passed the censor. Give others the rights you claim for yourself and don't dictate to them how they should post.

[Alcidas]

Originally Posted by Arphen Silverhair

@ Mithalwen
I think I have any right to say what my opinion about given movie/trailer is, no matter how short I am member here.

Of course you have every right to state your opinion about the trailer in here. Similarly, those posters who wish to state their opinion that the trailer is a load of crap also have every right to do so.

What you are being criticised for is not your opinion that the trailer is good, but your presuming to lecture other posters about their opinions.

Surely you can see this very simple point?

[Arphen Silverhair]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Positives? How about that they haven't decided that making Eorn a transvestite rather than a skin changer would make him/her more relevant to modern audiences? I am thinking Grayson Perry clutching Alan Measles here....

So this is not sarcasm?

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Arphen Silverhair

So this is not sarcasm?

It was meant to be joke......hence stupid smiley but having seen the trailer with it's extremely minimal connection to Tolkien I feel rather bleak.

[Nogrod]

I think one thing that concerns many people around here is that people had expectations with the LotR -movie, that it would be something great - not just one more blockbuster action movie with some comic relief added. In retrospect it is easy to see that you just should have guessed it: there is no high art coming from Hollywood, even if the screenwriters use a masterpiece as a basis (of deviation) for their storyboard.

I know many people differ on how they see the LotR-trilogy here. But many of even those who kind of liked the LotR by PJ are now facing a new situation when the Hobbit seems to be nothing more than yet one more "Avengers" or "Spider Man" or "Star Trek": an exploitation of older popular material built to maximise the income of the studios by following the lowest common denominators of their marketing department's imagined teen-age audiences.

Which doesn't mean it can't be quite an eye-candy.

I'm taking the optimist's route then. It maybe Hollywood doesn't know any more how to tell a story or to build interesting and deep characters (or they are not interested in those things any more) but they sure know how to make things look breath-takingly good and epic.

Kind of a larger image of our world today: we may have nothing inside, but darn we look good!

[alatar]

Hobbit trailer looks crap.

Is the thread title missing a word or some letters, or does it contain some textspeak slang that the youngin's use, with the meaning:

• Computer rendered and processed
• Completely reimagined, all PJ
• Cash raking after production

?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Arphen Silverhair

I said clearly that I dislike about the same things that most dislike about the new Trailer and about AUJ.
But I'm not hating on principle everything PJ and his Team have come up with.

Might some of us not be criticising this trailer for perfectly legitimate reasons? I mean, Arphen, it seems you largely agree about what’s wrong with it– it’s just that you think we should ignore that and focus on what’s positive. Okay, in a way that’s a pretty good attitude– but the thing is, when most of what’s shown in a trailer is CGI-heavy action scenes, then the quality of both CGI and action becomes rather relevant. Plus, what there is of dialogue sounds awfully trite to me. So– what’s left? I just don’t think “scenery” is enough to swing it. (“Acting” is a moot point– it’s a good cast, but we’re not actually seeing much of what they’re capable of here.)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Which doesn't mean it can't be quite an eye-candy.

I'm taking the optimist's route then. It maybe Hollywood doesn't know any more how to tell a story or to build interesting and deep characters (or they are not interested in those things any more) but they sure know how to make things look breath-takingly good and epic.

They do... but that doesn’t mean they always succeed... I mean, honestly, this doesn’t even look good– in fact, that’s largely what we’ve been talking about.

Besides, I think you’re making a lot of sweeping generalisations here. Hollywood is what it always was– i.e. mainly about profit, but quality films can and do get made. And believe me, I can appreciate a decent blockbuster/popcorn film, and enjoy it for what it is rather than what it isn't. That doesn’t mean one has to be completely uncritical all the time.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Arphen Silverhair

But I'm not hating on principle everything PJ and his Team have come up with.

This might go a bit off topic, but I personally don't hate the movie on principle. I just dislike it on principle. Not even that. I don't really care about it, but I love to complain about every little detail they get wrong. You should try it, it's fun.

[Alcidas]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't really care about it, but I love to complain about every little detail they get wrong. You should try it, it's fun.

Yup. What really bothers me about this trailer is those blue blue eyes that Legolas has. I mean, what IS the deal with that?

[Aiwendil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

it’s a good cast

I don't think Orlando Bloom is a good actor. There, I said it.