T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Hey, right here dude. And that time thing was sincere. Thus why I'm late.

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

On to posts I haven't had sitting in open tabs since yesterday, it seems Rune wasn't the right choice either, but perhaps toDay we'll get it right.

I have some work I need to complete before this afternoon, but I hope to return after that and give Dun's posts a good look. I honestly suspect the bots went for someone who wouldn't raise flags, but perhaps Dun left clues of some sort.

I'm off for now, but will be back later. Leave me many wonderful things to read.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Also hope his arm is Ok.

Thankfully, Rune voiced the wish to break my legs instead, so I can still type.

That said, I don't know what to make of the fact that the deaths so far, even with the relatively low number of people in the village, are ordos. At least regarding the Night kill, at least it wasn't a Gifted. Which, however, probably was what the WWs wanted to happen.

I agree with what has been already said, that the WWs obviously have the main objective to kill someone who looks like Seer. How exactly Zil would have been seen as such is a question to explore, if we can gain something for it (personally, I would also side with Kitanna's theory #1 rather than theory #2, however these probably are not the only possibilities). Just as a remark, let us remember, however, that there are probably - especially in a village so small - some secondary concerns. A relatively small concern is probably not wishing to kill their own Hacker; a much bigger and more important one, given the small numbers in this community, is not to kill the Hunter and get killed in the process. Just something that we have to take into account when considering the Bots' motives - if they had, for example, several of possibilities, they likely picked those which seemed safer.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

Morsul is Morsul, and if anything, then I would find him more likely to be a Bot (actually, toDay he's been quite contributive and thoughtful in a pretty clear way, almost unusually so, so if he was supposed to be anything, I'd even be inclined to think him a Bot rather than Hacker). G55, however, I agree a bit yesterDay, and toDay too, has a kind of... "unruly manner" to her. On rereading (and I did it yesterDay and did it also with toDay's post of hers after reading everything, exactly to compare with yesterDay's experience), what she says makes sense and I can imagine her saying that genuinely, but the first impressions are just somewhat making me wary, feeling-wise, and I am not sure what to make of that. I am watching her, but rather undecided at the moment.

Originally Posted by Boro

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

I second this, or at least this time. If it comes to seeing somebody "evil", then I support the lynch just to be sure. In this small village, the danger of evil joining forces is really too great, and even then there's always the chance one lets slip a Bot dismissing it as "just Hacker". So yes, let's simply vote for whoever we think is evil. We can lose much more bickering about that.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I am very aware that my style makes me an easy target, as such I'm wary when people protect me, as it gives the baddies an easy lynch at a more critical time.

This is about the first thing that actually worries me about Morsul, although it is also true (and a big warning exclamation mark should follow). However, it could also be a clever way to dodge future suspicion. The second thing that sort-of disturbed me when reading this post of his was his somewhat ambiguous handling of Shasta:

Originally Posted by Morsul

Shasta: Put me in the lead. But could be an innocent hoping for the best or a bot looking for an easy target

But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

I also realise I don't have very much opinion about Kitanna at the moment. But then again, her big post toDay was practically weighing stuff... Well, looking forward to see more from other people toDay, and will be around later.

[Morsul the Dark]

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

\

But of course, that is just being "objective". It is only sort of unexpected from Morsul's traditional style of handling things, but then again, who's to say style cannot change.

So much for objective.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Just watch me. Next time I'm a wolf I will reveal myself and maybe even my mates in the first post. Mark these words, you have it coming. What you won't know is if I'm actually a wolf or just messing with your head.

I was bored of making joke suspicion lists. This is much more interesting. And I'm definitely up to something. *licks cyberchops*

That aside, if you two are still around now I don't mind a cyber chat... Let me just go find something to say.

Am I the only one that things it would be a great idea to use random banter and acting to hide a seer dream? I'm going to be watching out for G55, but hopefully for good reasons. That said...

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Hey, last game I played in the cobbler inserted the phrase similar to "I'm a cobbler! Don't kill me!" into his post and just masked it in the context. With a cobbler, go figure what's a hint and what is simple conversation. On the bright side, the wolves have no advantage over the innocents in this, so everyone is on even ground when looking at a potential cobbler/hacker hint.

Maybe she is the cobbler?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Bizarre behavior can certainly catch a Seer's attention, I would say.

And G55's reply:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Can't disagree with that, but still planning to do it.

I think she's hiding something.

I'll be back later, I just thought I'd voice what has jumped out at me so far, my computer demands some attention.

Okay one more thing...

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Just a short remarc from me before i sign off [...] remarc.

*REMARK!

[Morsul the Dark]

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Are You saying G55 might be the seer BG?. I thought she was the hacker just being too weird even for me So I was letting her slide because I'd rather get a bot. But I doubt she's the seer maybe the ranger trying to draw out hints on who to protect?

You on the other hand trying to draw attention to a seer that's straight up HAckerish.

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.

All I'm doing is voicing my thoughts - something that you've also done by voicing your opinion that Shasta may be a seer.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Not too much recent behavior. Want to see more before going too much further but Shasta is in my sights but for something apparently only I caught or only I think is actually important...

I don't want to put a potential seer in trouble though, if I am right, so I might have more to say depending on how the day goes...

I at least gave reason for my suspicion. Do tell us what you've found, Morsul, you know, if you're allowed?

[Morsul the Dark]

Quite the opposite I think Shasta is a bot. Something I noticed but I'm picking up on a hint I'd rather keep hidden to protect a potential seer. I know it's hard to trust me when I'm not telling you everything.

Trust Me

[Kitanna]

This is response to Morsul's response that was in response to your post that G55 is "something"

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

What I'm trying to say is she is something. She could be a seer or a hacker or a gifted. Or she could just be screwing with us. But as long as she doesn't do something crazy I don't think I'll be voting for her tonight.

All I'm doing is voicing my thoughts - something that you've also done by voicing your opinion that Shasta may be a seer.

Why would you throw out your seer prediction? Where is the benefit unless you are a hacker signaling bots or your a bot signaling cohorts on your thoughts just in case you don't make it to the night. I'm inclined to believe hacker because only a bot headed for the gallows (recycle bin? Hard drive wipe?) would make so blantant a seer comment on some who is still ALIVE!

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, dear, I was simply cross that I didn't wait five more minutes to submit my post. Had I, you'd have been here already and I wouldn't have voted you. But, you know, that's sort of how my luck runs....

This reasoning makes me think Sally is up to no good. Lottie voted BG too because at time BG was the only one who hadn't voted, which is flimsy, but Sally's "I wouldn't have voted for you if you posted before my vote" is eyebrow raising. Who would you have voted for if BG posted before your vote? This was a vote that put BG in the lead. This seems like a bold move, but I wouldn't put it past a Sally-bot.

[Morsul the Dark]

I want to be back before DL but can't guarantee it, I tried to stay up to give more people a chance to post but not much movement...

++Shasta

Like I said I'm working with a hint I'm about 75-85% sure about. Hope I'm right. I can't really say much more for fear of pinging anyone for the bots.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Shasta's vote put me in the lead I didn't put much into it but now I'm rereading the post he says BG is most suspicious and decides to vote me... Hmmm...

Okay, I've had to delete what I want to say about five times now, because it's coming out really catty. Morsul, look past the fact that I voted you and actually READ WHAT I SAID.

Edit: X'ed with Kitanna. Please, point out to me where I said "BG is suspicious", because I never said that and having words put in my mouth by two different people is really, really annoying.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

Originally Posted by Shasta

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything.

How could I be suspicious of BG? She wasn't even here to be suspicious of!

[Loslote]

++Morsul
++BG

Just on principle, mind. I've given myself a headache from facepalming over you two, and I'm waiting for it to die down before I try and get an actual opinion on either of you. Just...stop with the gifteds, stop trying to be mysterious, stop pulling rabbits out of hats and calling them theories.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game

You are my favorite person.

On another note, I've had a really long first day back in classes, and I need to go to sleep soon, so I'm afraid toDay is not going to see an awful lot of me.

[Loslote]

Okay. So. I generally seem to agree with Kit. I haven't really seen enough of either Sally or Shasta to make any judgements there...though Sally's vote yesterDay did seem much more suspicious, since I meant my BG vote to be mostly a throw-away. I can see why she did it, but that doesn't necessarily clear her name. G55 has been an absolutely delight toDay, and I don't know how to reconcile that with her Hacker-like performance yesterDay - a new strategy? An off Day? I'll withhold judgement on her, too.

As for the Gifted Duo, I think BG is barking up the wrong tree and could get us all killed with her gifted talk - but I don't think she means to be doing it. I'm inclined to let her go for now. As for Morsul, I think he's enjoying this far too much to be confused about what he's doing. He's being purposefully vague and mysterious while throwing out gifted hints left and right. If one of the two were bot-ic, I'd guess it'd be him.

As for the quieter of the group, I've found Boro and Legate pretty inoffensive thus far. They haven't posted a huge amount, but what they have posted has been about what I'd expect from them.

At this point, we have two votes, one for Sally and one for Shasta. I'm not really interested in lynching either at this point. I'm gonna throw in a new name here...

++Morsul

Have fun with that. I'm going to sleep.

EDIT: xed with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

There, there, darling. I see exactly what you said, and I agree with you. It's not saying, "BG is suspicious because she's in a different category as everyone else," so much as saying, "No one is suspicious, except BG, but that's because she's not even here." Except actually saying that, rather than kind of saying that.

That paragraph got away from me.

*nuzzles Shasta*

Morsul, on the other hand, does have some explaining to do, for this post, in which he implies he's picked up on a seer hint that incriminates Shasta but doesn't want to point it out. You realize of course that the bots can now find the seer more easily, even without your hint about the hint you found?

It bothers me that Morsul didn't try to build a case (even a flimsy one) against Shasta beforehand, but instead put it right out there that he found a seer hint implicating the lad. It almost would bother me more if he turns out innocent than it would if it turns out he's guilty, because I can't think of why any innocent would think to betray a gifted like that.

Also, Kitanna suspects BG and then votes me for my "suspicious" vote of BG. Iiiiiiiiiinteresting indeed. I don't like the deflection there, especially since BG has in fact been acting off.

On that note, I'll certainly offer a brief explanation. I was operating under a similar thought process that Lottie and, to some extent, Shasta were. When you don't see a suspicious character among you, you suspect the one you don't see. Well, not suspect, really, given that she wasn't there to be suspected, as Shasta said, but this sums up my vote nicely.

Originally Posted by me

I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

Another point of interest entirely is the following vote post from Legate, which doesn't sit right with me at all.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, okay. I feel really bad because a) I haven't played with Rune for a long time, b) I really don't think he is that suspicious that he would deserve a vote (but nobody is), c) Rune is still here at Finlandmoot for one day, so I just hope I get off with it without having arms broken as repayment... Then again, hopefully this game will be short so we can interact soon in some other game, and even more hopefully he is just a Bot.

++Rune

Let's hope for the best.

The jocular tone of this is just fine. However, the fact that he goes out of his way to point out that Rune is suspicious *and* that "hopefully he is just a Bot" doesn't seem like the way the real Legate would explain such a vote. It's mostly gut instinct, but it's such a strong instinct that I can't ignore it. His question about the rules, and then the fact that he happened to vote Rune after Rune called him on said question about the rules, also makes bells tingle.

Oh, wait. That's my alarm clock going off, or rather the thought of my alarm clock going off in a few short hours. Time to summarize then.

My top suspects are Legate, Morsul, and Kit, more or less in that order. I also think BG is acting far too wacky to be an ordo, though everyone's clanging so loudly about her that I'm not sure if those are my own bells I'm hearing go off or if I'm merely hearing echoes.

I've a few brief things to do before bed, but I'll be voting soon.

[satansaloser2005]

It's time for me to cast in my bow tie along with Morsul's.

Morsul, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt toDay. You'll not see the generosity I showed you yesterday again, however, if you don't stop with this confounded "I know who the seer is but I'm not telling so just listen to me" stuff. Speak plainly of such matters or not at all. At this stage, the latter is preferable, as exposing gifteds will only get us into trouble. I'd hate to see the spammers win because an innocent accidentally fed them information. That also goes for others lurking around the thread. Let gifteds reveal themselves if they so choose. If you think you see a credible hint, feel free to act upon it, but don't jeopardize the life of a gifted if it's not necessary.

That said, Legate's simply pinged my radar too hard toDay, and I must vote accordingly.

++Legate

Which brings us to....

Morsul-->Shasta
Kit-->Sally
Lottie-->Morsul
Sally-->Legate

And with that, I bid you all good night, and also good Night. Sleep well and vote even better.

[Kitanna]

Final thoughts, vote, then bed:
G55: I thought she might be the hacker based on yesterday's posts. Today I'm not sure. I'm leaning toward innocent, with no hacker traits

Morsul: been speaking mostly sense. I had a vad feeling about him yesterday and today even though I've read his posts and Shasta's I'm still not sure what exactly he thinks is so suspicious about Shasta. I'm wary of Morsul, but not enough to vote that way a second day ina row.

Shasta: The only odd thing is his vote. Says BG is suspicious, but votes Morsul, otherwise there's not much there. Closer attention to be paid though.

Boro, Lottie, Legate: No idea. With the exception of Boro's post about the hacker lynching none have said anything that stood out.

BG: I'm annoyed at your the gifted comments. I don't think BG is a bot though, the gifted hints are just too reckless for a bot.

Sally: Her vote just doesn't sit right with me. The placement pushed BG ahead and her reasoning/explanation raised a red flag.

++Sally

I'm done. Typing these posts via phone is too much effort.