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Shade of Carn Dūm
Join Date: Jul 2012
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The quote is in The Fellowship of the Ring. "Here in Rivendell there live still some of his chief foes: the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power." [Bk. 2, ch. 1, p. 269]
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I agree with Zigūr. The Rings were really all Elven Rings of Power, not necessarily meant to be shared among the different peoples. However, Sauron had a hand in their design and guidance. His purpose was to make use of these instruments as a means of enslaving the free peoples, Elves, Men, and Dwarves, which is why when he took the Rings he distributed them among the different people. It would seem that this would be a very good plan if it had worked out. Having Elven lords, Kings of Men, and Dwarf lords under his command. But it did not. The Elves caught onto him when he put on his Ring and took theirs off until he no longer had the One in his possession. What he would have did with the 3 had he captured those as well I'm not sure. Getting his hands on those was what he really wanted and was why he invaded Eriador. So the Elves wanted to make these Rings for themselves, to bring Aman to Middle-earth, that is, to stay decay, which Sauron played on when his purpose was to use these Rings to control the free peoples.
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These are great materials. I really enjoyed reading them. The Elvish intention for their Rings of Power does seem to be clear from Tolkien's Letters, which are materials I respect.
I still have a difficulty with whether or not this meant that Annatar worked with the Elves for a separate group of Rings, that the Gwaith-i-Mirdain worked on with Annatar, and that were meant for other races. That is, I'm still processing the materials about the intention of the Rings of Power, and who the Rings were to be Gifted to. Nine for the Mortal Men Doomed to Die, Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their Halls of Stone, and all that. The famous poem implies a lot about Ring Lore. The materials from Tolkien and Letters has to be taken as compelling though, stating that the Rings of Power, as intentioned by the Elves, was to develop seclusionist realms, governed by a Ring of Power, for Elvish purposes. What I'm struggling with is that there really are and were not 19 eligible Elf Lords really that were considered worthy of a Ring of Power at the time Celebrimbor lived. We had Cirdan, Elrond, and Galadriel. I don't see any other Elven eligibles in TA, respecting that it is often stated in the mythology that the Noldorin High Kingship and all the Eldar of the royal line in Middle Earth copped it over the years, with most of the losses incurred in the First Age. The Gwaith-i-Mirdain knew that, and also knew there were 'many' Rings of Power, and so, I'm looking to understand (even still) what the Elvish intention was, in any assistance they rendered to Annatar in the forging of the Nine and the Seven. Who were those Rings made *for* and *by whom*, exactly, were they made? I wonder whether Annatar made the Nine and the Seven, but in tutelage of Celebrimbor and the Gwaith i Mirdain, or alteratively, 19 Rings of Power were, indeed, made to accommodate Elven imperialist ideas. But, my emphasis, this thread is also about metaphysical concepts. When I say 'how to make a Ringwraith versus an Elven Ring', I'm tyring to codify the flow of metaphysical energies in the distinct Elven versus Evil artefacts. What I'm seeking to develop, is ideas about the 'what exactly' occurs to influence flesh, mind, spirit and blood, in the competing influences of different Rings of Power. Where--exactly--are the core differences in 'metaphysical flow' of an Evil versus Elvish Ring of Power? Last edited by Ivriniel; 02-26-2014 at 05:38 PM. |
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