WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Okay. My bedtime as well (approaching 3AM).

++ Kitanna

Starting with self-defence / martyr-role, being careful overall and also to not suspect others, hanging around but not contributing... Enough for a D1 vote where there is so little to go after - and too many reasons not to vote someone else on D1 -basis.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Speaking of psychics, Shasta will use half of his posts for praising Nerwen (and vice versa, but he always seems to be the one to start).

And why shouldn't I? We were married, once.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Lots of talk about the Maniac. But it looks like the role is a wildcard innocent. A chaotic good perhaps? Or maybe chaotic evil if the Maniac chose to align with the wolves. (Oh my, I wish my friend had never taught me how to play D&D. It's infiltrating my life.)

First major thought. Inzil just got through saying the Maniac is in with the village - why would Kitanna mention the possibilty of them aligning with the wolves?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

2. How Boro's important point was totally lost under a more or less odd discussion of whether the maniac is playing for the goodies or baddies... where the former, I think, was the obvious answer - and seems to be it. But what Boro said merits repeating: as we don't want to lynch the maniac (the danger for us is in lynching her/him) but want her/him killed by the wolves by Night (to take one of them with her/him for sure) - the wolves might like to impersonate the maniac trying to avoid lynching that way.

Second major thought - I approve of Nogrod bringing this back up; consequently I also approve of Boro bringing it up in the first place, obvious though it may have been. Side thought - it might be interesting to see who was the first to, as Nog said, bury it under the discussion about the Maniac's allegiance. Lemme scroll up - hm. It ends up being Lommy, followed by Legate and Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Greenie

How do you impersonate a Maniac? I mean, if the Maniac plays for the village they'd want to get Night-killed, right? Which would mean they might try to impersonate the Seer, which would mean the wolves would try to impersonate the Maniac who tries to impersonate the Seer who tries to impersonate... I mean, maybe you others can follow this, but I can't, at least not this tired. Anyway what I'm saying is that catching someone "impersonating the Maniac" is easier said than done.

A fair point, but there's no real reason not to talk about it, especially this early.

Lommy floats the idea of the Maniac revealing. Gut reaction - I don't like it. If the Maniac reveals, the wolves won't attack them (and thus lose one of their number). We'd have a known innocent, sure - but is that worth it?

(Greenie mentions the same in #32.)

Legate coming down on the side of the plan makes me twitch a bit, especially since he crossed with Lommy nixing her own plan.



Done with page 1. As of now my gut tells me to vote Kitanna or Lommy, possibly Legate, but this readthrough has been very rushed.

[Boromir88]

I cordially dislike Day 1s...at least there's been some good and necessary discussion on the maniac. If nothing else for clarity purposes, but I also agree with Nog and Shasta about how the wolves might try looking like the maniac, knowing it's not a role we want to lynch. I was more worried that would be the case if the maniac was a wild card.

Shasta and Nog look good enough to me today...won't vote for them. I like Greenie's contributions and it's good to see that despite the long lay off there's no rust on her blade. She's as sharp as ever.

Everyone else is pretty much in a "not enough info" category or "wait and see more"...not sure I want to take a stab in that quite larger pack.

Legate's vote is ok...I mean I understand it, don't like it, but I see where he's coming from in that I would at least be around later, Greenie and Kath would not be. He freely admits it's safe though:

since I don't want to make a completely throwaway vote, and this way I am at least making a vote for someone who (I presume) would be still around and can make a case for himself if it became relevant (unlike if I voted for Greenie or probably Kath).

Lommy troubles me the most today. That "what if the maniac reveals today to give us a known innocent" business. Comes off trying to divert the topic to gifteds revealing which is rarely ever good.

So, Lommy tops my vote for lynch today...will see if I've cross-posted with anyone (hopefully yes).

[Nerwen]

Sorry to take so long. Busy, net went down, maniac discussion headache-inducing.

Some thought on your thoughts, O Shasta, my peerless one:

Originally Posted by He who outshines the sun

First major thought. Inzil just got through saying the Maniac is in with the village - why would Kitanna mention the possibilty of them aligning with the wolves?

My jewel, I think she simply hadn’t noticed Zil's post.

However, she then goes to say:
#40

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Since the Maniac's role pretty much revolves around dying to fullfill the role, who is to say they'll align with the village? A hunter can at least chose who they think is evil, Maniac is subject to the whims of the mod-god.

I kind of see the Maniac as a potential cobbler/hunter hybrid, a wildcard as Boro put it.

Which could be interpreted as a wolfy, “Hey Maniac, why not join us?”

Originally Posted by my only one

Second major thought - I approve of Nogrod bringing this back up; consequently I also approve of Boro bringing it up in the first place, obvious though it may have been. Side thought - it might be interesting to see who was the first to, as Nog said, bury it under the discussion about the Maniac's allegiance. Lemme scroll up - hm. It ends up being Lommy, followed by Legate and Nerwen.

Okay, but, as Kit notes it was also Boro who first brought up the idea of the Maniac being a “wild card” (#14). So what I said about Kit also applies somewhat here– could this possibly be a subtle hint to the Maniac?

Lommy floats the idea of the Maniac revealing. Gut reaction - I don't like it. If the Maniac reveals, the wolves won't attack them (and thus lose one of their number). We'd have a known innocent, sure - but is that worth it?

(Greenie mentions the same in #32.)

Legate coming down on the side of the plan makes me twitch a bit, especially since he crossed with Lommy nixing her own plan.

The penguin's plan does sound like something a baddie might want to put forward– however, that’s not really the vibe I’m getting from her, especially once she starts flip-flopping. Meanwhile, Legate goes on and on exploring unlikely scenarios, such as the “best-case” of a wolfish counter-reveal on Day One… I don’t know what to make of this.

EDIT:X’d with Boro and Cop.

[Inziladun]

With 30 minutes to DL, I make the voting as follows:

Greenie--> Sally (1)
Legate--> Boro (1)
Lommy--> Sally (2)
Nog--> Kitanna (1)

[Nerwen]

I see Kath has posted.

This… never… happens…

If I vote on top of that… will the universe implode?

EDIT:X’d with Boro.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I see Kath has posted.

This… never… happens…

If I vote on top of that… will the universe implode?

Let's find out.


(Obviously I'm back.)

[Thinlómien]

Okay, so -

re: Greenie - nothing much there really. If the wolves thought her the seer, it was either because of her suspicion of Sally or possibly they thought she had dreamed of innocent Boro (in her first list Boro is the one who gets the clearest exoneration).

re: the lynch - before the Legate lynch started happening, the vote count was Sally 2, Kitanna 1, Lommy 1, Boro 1 and Legate 1. 7 minutes to the deadline there was still a tie between Legate and Sally, to which Nerwen contributed by putting Kitanna too at two votes. Then Sally and Kitanna both voted Legate and it was done.

Put these things together and suddenly Sally seems like a case to be scrutinized.

[Loslote]

I'm really not thrilled with any of the options so far. I've still got a bad feeling about Legate, but I don't have anything concrete, and I'm not completely comfortable voting for him. I'd be more comfortable with him than with the other three on the table, though, so...

++Legate

EDIT: xed since Zil

[Nerwen]

Now, why has Sally got two votes?

EDIT:X’d with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, why has Sally got two votes?

Because of the mean Finnish girls.

[Coppermirror]

And voting now:

++Legate

[Coppermirror]

It's quiet...

Looking at Greenie's posts yesterDay:

In #26, there doesn't appear to be anything there which might clear or implicate anyone that I can see, other than a mild "something there?" about a comment of Sally's.

In #48, Greenie voted for Sally based on the bad feeling about Sally she initially mentioned in #26. But she didn't sound very firm about it at all and described it as flimsy reasoning. If Sally is a Moviephile, that might still have been enough to get Greenie night killed.

She doesn't seem to have strongly suspected anyone at all, and she was the first to vote and have to leave. I suppose it's possible she was a trailless kill, but I can't really believe that in a village this small. There must have been something.

I'm going to have to vote early toDay, probably in the next 8 to 10 hours, since I can't guarantee I'll be around to vote in the morning or the early afternoon. I'll come back after dinner to do some analysis of yesterDay and the way the votes went.

[Coppermirror]

Okay, time for me to look at the voting yesterDay.

Day 1 voting

Greenie-innocent --> Sally(1)

Legate-innocent --> Boro(1)

Lommy --> Sally(2)

Nog --> Kitanna(1)

Boro --> Lommy(1)

Lottie --> Legate-innocent(1)

Cop --> Legate-innocent(2)

Nerwen --> Kitanna(2)

Kitanna --> Legate-innocent(3)

Sally --> Legate-innocent(4)

Non-voters: Kath, Shasta (reasons given in admin post)

So the only people who attracted 2 or more votes were Sally, Legate and Kitanna, with Kitanna breaking the tie and followed by Sally with the latter bringing Legate to 4 votes. Both of the last two Legate voters were in some danger themselves because Kath and Shasta had not yet voted. Kath may be prone to being quiet on Day 1, so it might have been a reasonable bet that she wouldn't vote, though.

I can't see anything obviously suspicious about the votes there yet, so I'll post this now and try to take another look. I've got to vote within the next two hours, but today hasn't had a lot of useful discussion yet. If I had to pick right this second I would probably vote for Sally. But, Lommy's raised some other possible reasons why Greenie might have seemed Seerish. I'll read over Greenie's posts again.

Edit: crossed with Lommy

[Coppermirror]

Quick suspicions/analysis

Nerwen: at #77 she had some suspicions of Kitanna, and maybe some suspicions of Legate. She seemed to think Lommy looked more innocent than not. At #85 she wasn't entirely happy with Greenie's vote but said it was okay for Day 1.

If Nerwen was a Moviephile trying to save a packmate Sally there, I'm not sure she would have been so obviously unhappy with the Sally vote. Same goes for Kitanna.

Sally: Her reasoning on Day 1 seemed fine to me, and nothing pinged me about her tone. But, if Greenie was killed because of sounding Seerish, what she said about Sally looks the most likely. I disagree with Lommy; I don't think Greenie's wording was clear about exonerating Boro.

Loslote: Her tone in her vote post seemed a little vague to me. Maybe slightly off. It could just be Day 1 blues, though. From toDay, it looks as if she's suggesting that it's more likely the wolves were trying to pick a safe, non-Maniac kill for Day 1 than to go for the Seer. I don't think this makes sense.

Kitanna: Posts with a summary of the Day. Disagrees with Greenie's suspicion of Sally. Thinks Legate looked off. Wonders why Sally was getting so much attention. Thinks Nog was making mountains out of molehills about her, Lottie and Legate's banter. Although not happy with Nog, she's more concerned about the three people who were suspicious of Sally (Legate, Greenie, Lommy), whom she finds fishy.

Her reasoning seems consistent there and brings up points that nobody else has made. Nothing jumps out as especially suspicious yet, anyway.

Lommy: Has been active toDay. Other than that, not a lot of change since yesterDay.
Nogrod: No posts since I last commented about him, I think.
Shasta: Ditto, and I'm worried about his lack of activity.
Kath: Also worried about lack of activity.

Boro: He's suspicious of Nerwen's tone and not so much of Sally. With the low amount of posts he's had so far I'm finding him very hard to get a feel for.

At this point I think I'm going to vote Sally since that's the only lead I have for wolf catching right now and I have to get some sleep. Most likely I won't be back before the deadline.

++ Sally

Edit: crossed with Boro

[Boromir88]

Nogrod: Probably the strangest reasoned vote yesterday...that is I'm scratching my head wondering where he got the self-defense/martyr vibe from Kitanna. It doesn't appear he'll be back before I have to go, so it's not strong enough to vote for Nogrod today, particularly since I think there are more suspicious votes yesterday. He's on my radar though, until I see more and get an explanation.

Lottie: For reasons mentioned earlier, and I agree with sally the vote for Legate looks forced. By that I mean I agree that it looks as if Lottie doesn't care about the outcome. Sally seems to think Lottie made the vote to steer attention away from someone who already had votes...I don't see who that could be though, because sally would be playing quite the bold wolf if she pointed this out last night about wolf-mate Lottie's vote, while sally was also in the lead at that point. She would have no reason to protect me, unless she's trying to just set me up as one of her mates. So, then maybe Kit? With Kit getting a few suspicions based on the maniac mix-up it's possible Lottie would try to get attention away from people voting Kit and push up Legate for all of his lengthy analysis about complicated scenarios.

Whether it's that, or in my opinion, looking like she put another innocent name on the list and didn't have a care who ended up being lynched yesterday...because none of them were a wolf. Either way, it's a safe and suspicious vote.

Nerwen: Pretty much the same reasons as Lottie's vote, in that her vote created the tie between Sally, Legate, and Kit. I agree with Lommy's point today that is rather bold if Nerwen and sally are mates. So, she's not trying to protect a mate (she voted Kit, Legate is innocent, and it's a stretch to see her and sally as mates).

Kit:. I'm even more rushed now than I thought, so I will just refer to my previous post asking if what she said in her reasons voting Legate accurate. It warrants further watching but not going to vote for Kit today if I don't know and likely won't be able to read her response.

++Lottie

I have to go all on the vote yesterday...and I have to go now. Lottie's vote looked the worst yesterday.

[Kitanna]

Sally
First two posts were mostly banter. Though in her second post:

That was informative, yet strangely unsettling.

Is this not the post that drew Greenie and Lommy's attention? Or at least Greenie's. I don't see anything too suspicious here, so I'm not sure why it drew attention. If this is the wrong post, let me know.

Her third post is about Lommy's plan being too risky. It's a reasonable post and one a wolf could use to show the village "hey I'm not afraid of a Maniac on the loose", could also be a villager not wanting to have a known innocent out there, especially one who is hazardous to the wolves.

Fourth post clarifies her understanding of the Maniac. She originally thought it was a more random role than Zil meant it to be.

Post five clarifies the post Greenie found suspcious enough to cast a D1 vote for. Banter and not much more.

Sixth post continues more on the Maniac and why it is smarter to stay silent.

Seventh and eighth and ninth, more banterish.

Tenth, says that people are making a bigger deal on my misinterpretation of the Maniac than it warrants. She proclaims me evil, but let's be fair that's what we do to each other. But she find Nog more evil for pushing me forward.
This post also mentions Lottie and Legate. Like I said earlier she probably didn't want to throw her vote away on Lottie or even Nog.

Twelfth, votes Legate based on her previously stated suspicions. Thjs vote is less suspicious then I originally thought. Since I think she cross-posted her vote with mine it looks like self-preservation, which an innocent is as likely to do as a wolf. So the vote tells me less than I had hoped.

What I find more odd/nefarious about her D1 posts is actually her wish not to pursue Lommy's plan. But this is a mild suspicion at best because Sally wasn't the only one to say this and there's not enough else to make me think she's evil at this point.

[Boromir88]

No cross-posts with my last but Cop and Nerwen have returned since. My brain is fried at this point, so they're still sitting in the "wait and see" group...until I've fully recovered on a good night's sleep. (aside...I decided I could join despite the 50 hrs/week work week because they were finally all at the same time for the next week and a half - 8am-6pm. But this morning found out that was shot, and schedule has been juggled around. Not going to effect me in the sense that I can definitely still participate, but it will be quite sporadic in terms of when I can post and vote from day-to-day).

I can't envision my opinions changing over the next half-hour especially since those I'm most suspicious of are already gone...

++Lommy