WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Inziladun]

After the discouraging time the group had spent thus far atop the lonely windswept peak, this day had possibly brought some good news.
Kitanna had initially startled them by saying she was a maniac.
'Not dangerous. Well maybe a little. Actually, mostly harmless,' she was quick to add. 'I just get carried away sometimes.'

But that had nearly been forgotten when Lommy had announced she had been having dreams involving them all.
'I know two who are innocent,' she said. 'Shasta for one, and Kitanna really is a maniac, but she hasn't been doing anything to anyone. However, I know Nerwen is one of these awful people trying to take us out!'

It was recalled that Professor Inzil's notes on RADAGAST had mentioned that those with evil thoughts had become dogs. Now they would see.

Protesting only mildly, Nerwen was forced into the machine. A press of a button, and eager eyes awaited the result.
There, on the floor, was indeed a dog.

The "Living"
Sally
Coppermirror
Kitanna
Lommy
Shasta
Kath
Boro

The "Dead"
Professor Inzil
Legate (Ordo)
Greenie (Ordo)
Nogrod (Ordo)
Loslote (Ordo)
Nerwen (Moviephile)

IT IS NIGHT 4.

Dreamer, Guardian, and Moviephiles get busy.

[Inziladun]

The dark skies above the facility were fitfully illuminated by the bright, full moon peeking through breaks in the high clouds.
Inside, most of the trapped inhabitants lay fitfully sleeping. Three of their number did not sleep.
Two figures walked silently, purposefully toward their intended target, one with a small vial of liquid in hand. They did not feel the eyes upon them, straining to keep them in sight through the shadow, nor did they notice footfalls behind them at a respectful distance.
As they reached their victim they stopped short, savoring the moment. The vial was opened, a hand began to tip it.
Suddenly, a silver ball flashed through the air and struck the back of the second figure. A stifled cry of surprise was voiced, and the first quickly secured the vial. Both ran off into the darkness.
The firer of the ball nodded in approval at the way the improvised slingshot had worked. It was amazing what one could do with a paper clip, a rubber band, and a ball bearing.
Heading back to bed, two of the group were bitterly disappointed, another quite satisfied.

The "Living"
Sally
Coppermirror
Kitanna
Lommy
Shasta
Kath
Boro

The "Dead"
Professor Inzil
Legate (Ordo)
Greenie (Ordo)
Nogrod (Ordo)
Loslote (Ordo)
Nerwen (Moviephile)


IT IS DAY 4

[Thinlómien]

*waves at everyone* I'm still here!

And no discussion before I appear, because the wolves don't want to incriminate themselves by blaming soon-to-be revealed innocents or buddying up with soon-to-be revealed wolves.

Guess what people? I think I'm going to leave you in the darkness for a little while longer. Anyone who wants to prove their innocence, I encourage you to talk. You have nothing to fear if you're not a wolf.

(I understand the quietness toDay and yesterDay, because a revealed seer doesn't encourage much talk, but all in all it's been a disappointingly quiet village. Next time we're not lynching Legate on Day1 and Nogrod on Day2. Just sayin'. )

(Also, unrelatedly, I really want to laugh at myself in this game. I might have done my seering well, but my argumentation has had gaping holes. On Day1, I suggested the maniac reveal herself, totally forgetting that it means the maniac cannot Night-kill a wolf. YesterDay, I said my reveal being fake would only make sense if we were fellow wolves with Nerwen, totally forgetting that the real seer would still exist and be able to contest my claim. Not really my game, logic wise. )

I will be more or less around (meaning, checking the thread at least say every two hours) until as close to the DL as I feel like staying up. If you need a talking prompt, please tell me who do you think like a likely mate for Nerwen, for example.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

*waves at everyone*

*waves back*

*fades into darkness*




PS: you know I had to at some point in the game.

[Kitanna]

I don't have much to say. Not a lot happened after I stopped posting yesterDay.

I still think Kath is a wolf and I will probably be voting for her. I'm leaning toward Cop being the third, but I haven't ruled out Boro yet. I believe Sally is probably an innocent. And you, Lommy, have cleared Shasta.

[Thinlómien]

Just saying you guys should let me know if you plan on voting early.

[Kath]

Quiet I have indeed been, but I will be in a place with secure internet access within the next hour or so, and can then be around pretty much until deadline.

Before then, to give you an idea of where my mind is: I am obviously happy that Lommy is the Seer; Kitanna revealed as the maniac after I had cast my vote for her, but I accept she has that role; I am innocent.

So my suspicions toDay will clearly focus on sally, Cop, Shasta and Boro.

[Coppermirror]

Here and reading. Though aren't many posts to get through.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kath

Greenie's death:

Post 1: Found sally unsettling (I still think this was clearly explained afterwards). Feels that Kitanna posted substance even though she didn't really. Pleased that Boro is on topic. Confused by Legate. Little to say on anyone else.

Post 2 : Offers defence of Nerwen. Ah, I think this post might hold the key. She talks about how to impersonate a maniac, because of course they would want to be Night killed to best help the village. Maybe the wolves were playing the odds. Lose a wolf but get rid of the maniac now. Or hoping for a bluff.

Post 3: Continued discussion of the maniac.

Post 4: Continued discussion, but also decides Lommy looks innocent.

Post 5: Also confused by Legate! Votes sally for her earlier suspicion.

Well then. Nerwen and Lommy are the names that came up here so keep an eye on them toDay I suppose.

She notes here that Greenie focused on Nerwen. Given that we now know Nerwen was a wolf, this could in fact be why Greenie was killed. Perhaps the wolves feared she would be dreamed that Night and wanted to get Greenie out of the way before she could sense Nerwen's true motives?

Originally Posted by Kath

From yesterDay, I think Kitanna and sally's votes are suspicious. They are both clearly self preservation votes and this is acceptable as an innocent, and understandable as a wolf. What I find odd is that neither of them actually admitted to that.

That Nog changed his suspicions through the Day made me feel happier about my early wonderings about him.

From my look at Greenie I think Lommy and Nerwen bear watching, but neither has leapt out as suspicious toDay to me.

Would really still like to know about double lynches as I feel that would have had a strong influence yesterDay on sally and Kitanna's voting.

And I rather feel that lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information here as a result.

There are already votes for Lottie and sally, so I will add the third name to the mix.

++Kitanna

Things I find suspicious in any situation: unnecessarily adding names to a lynch ballot. Her tone here even indicates to me that she simply wants to add a person. After all, she earlier in this very post called me and Kit out for the same thing, and also said lynching either of us would give more information, so why widen the suspect pool rather than go for the more attainable of her two targets?

Originally Posted by Kath

I have an extremely fragile net connection (first time I've managed to get a connection at all today!) so I am going to vote right now.

As there have been no counter reveals to either Lommy or Kitanna, and I think everyone has now posted, I am happy to believe both.

Therefore:
++Nerwen

Lommy-Seer says she's a wolf then she's a wolf.

If Lommy and Kitanna are actual a wolf pack then I take my hat off to them!

This seems to me more resignation than joy at Lommy's reveal. That in fact brings me to my next point....

Originally Posted by Kath

Quiet I have indeed been, but I will be in a place with secure internet access within the next hour or so, and can then be around pretty much until deadline.

Before then, to give you an idea of where my mind is: I am obviously happy that Lommy is the Seer; Kitanna revealed as the maniac after I had cast my vote for her, but I accept she has that role; I am innocent.

So my suspicions toDay will clearly focus on sally, Cop, Shasta and Boro.

Bolding is mine. It seems so odd to voice this emotion. The fact that she feels she needed to state this makes me think it is not true at all.


In short, Kath's acceptance of Lommy's reveal seems forced, and there's really only one reason to be displeased with a seer reveal....

[satansaloser2005]

I took a look at Cop's posts as well, of course, but noticed the trend in Kath's as I was reading through the thread, so Kath took priority. My thoughts on Cop are up in another tab and can get tidied and posted (hopefully) toMorrow.


x'd with Inzilamod

[Inziladun]

The night slowly passed, bringing a golden sunrise to the high, jagged Andean peaks.

Inside the incongruous, functional building, five of its occupants awoke to find the one who brought them such hope recently, Lommy, lying still in slumber, and unable to be awakened. The secret of her latest dream had been sealed by one of their number.
Just then, Shasta astonished the group.'You know, why hasn't anyone tried the BALROG-teleporter thing again?" he asked.
'Well,' replied Kath, 'because it looked like the last use might have ruined it, and we can't be sure what exactly happened to the Professor anyway.'
'We can at least try,' cried Shasta. 'At least that's what I'm going to do!'
And before anyone could stop him, he picked up a broom leaning against a wall, ran to the BALROG's opening, and hit the "send" button with the broom. With an angry burst of static, and an ominous popping sound, Shasta disappeared, leaving only fluttering, charred bits of clothing.
'And he didn't even change the destination from Cleveland,' said Sally sadly.

The "Living"
Sally
Coppermirror
Kitanna
Kath

The "Dead"
Professor Inzil
Legate (Ordo)
Greenie (Ordo)
Nogrod (Ordo)
Loslote (Ordo)
Nerwen (Moviephile)
Boro (Moviephile)
Lommy (Dreamer)
Shasta (Ordo) Modfire

IT IS DAY 5.

[Coppermirror]

I'm back, sorry about the delay. But at least I don't need to worry about accidentally voting for in innocent toDay: I'm the real Guardian.

Which means I can be very sure in placing my vote for

++Kath

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

But at least I don't need to worry about accidentally voting for in innocent toDay

Interesting choice of words?

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Interesting choice of words?

How so?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

How so?

At least you don't need to worry about accidentally killing an innocent, because you'd be doing it on purpose. That's what's going on here.


So what do you say, Kit? I really feel like we should agree on this rather than risk crossing our votes and royally screwing this up somehow.


EDIT: x'd with Kit

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm the real Guardian.

Sally are you sure you don't want to claim this role too?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Sally are you sure you don't want to claim this role too?

Not unless you do it as well. I'm all for a four-way reveal at end game, honestly. It'd be hilarious.

[Kitanna]

Lommy lied. I lied. I'm the guardian, not the maniac.

[Coppermirror]

Sorry, village. You would by rights have won if not for Shasta getting mod-fired. Hope he's okay - he'd have to be busy to miss the vote two days.

I feel a bit bad about winning at a time when I didn't spend as much time on the game as I would have liked and didn't end up listing many suspicions. I was planning to be careful, but not that careful. But since I had to vote early on Day 2, using just Day 1 info, and then the next Day Lommy revealed while I was trying to put together a substantial analysis, there wasn't much chance. And I got rather apathetic, since I thought the moviephiles were a-doomed after that. Which is why I picked Lommy on Night 4, since I thought it was better to go for the best case scenario even if it was risky.

On the other hand, the glorious Tolkien movies have been saved, and I have avenged the honour of Nerwen and Boro! Out of the films, I would have settled just for The Fellowship of the Ring being retained. If Shasta hadn't been mod-fired, I would have had a 0% chance of victory and would have spent the day trying to negotiate and persuade everyone of the merits of that film, possibly using clips of Boromir's death scene. The other films could go. (That is, if Inzil wouldn't allow me to just pick Kitanna on Night 5. My night kill pick was Lommy if Shasta was mod fired, but Kitanna if he wasn't.)

It's interesting, some of the things I did that people thought were suspicious were complete coincidences. Like voting for Sally on Day 2, giving the impression there was a wolf plot against her, or not blindly accepting the Maniac and Seer proclamations, giving the impression I was trying to push for a counter-reveal. I wasn't doing either of those! A wolf's worst enemy seems to be the urge to correct with a "no, that wasn't my plan at all! I was doing something else!".

Originally Posted by Inziladun

' After all, I can't wait til PJ does Beren and Luthien.'

I unironically would like to see this.

[Kath]

Ooh no I'm wrong! Shasta was also cleared by Lommy-Seer.

So it's just Boro, Cop and sally.

[Kath]

And two out of those three are wolves! Well that's better odds!

[Thinlómien]

Sorry for toDay, I just realised there's no need to play around.

I dreamed of Boro who is a wolf.

That leaves us with three unknowns, Kath, Cop and Sally. One is a wolf, one is an ordo and one is the ranger.

So:

Day4 we lynch Boro-wolf.

Night5 seer-me is killed. The ranger should not protect ordo-Shasta.

Day5 we have one wolf, one known ordo (Shasta), one unknown ordo, known maniac (Kit) and unknown ranger. The ranger reveals. That means that either
a) the wolf also reveals as the ranger and is lynched
b) the wolf also reveals as the ranger and the real ranger is lynched
c) the wolf doesn't try to reveal as the ranger

Now if
a) we obviously win.
b) there is Night6. The wolf obviously kills Shasta. On Day6 there is the wolf, one ordo and Kit the Maniac. The ordo left and Kit know to lynch the wolf because she's obviously the one who claimed to be the ranger on Day5. We win.
c) we have one more known innocent on Day5. There are only two people whose roles are unknown. Say we're unlucky and lynch the ordo. The next Day there is only one unknown ergo only one one person who can be the remaining wolf and she's lynched. We win.

(Even if the last wolf decides to off say Shasta next Night instead of me in order to create chaos and I dream of an innocent, we still have enough dreams and Days to sort it out even with the worst of luck. We win.)

So game over wolvsies, well done in hiding but you shouldn't have let me live so long. *tries to resist gloating and fails*

++Boro

[Boromir88]

Drat...just when I was going to say "Get on with it Lommy, admit you dreamed me and declare that I'm 100% trustworthy and cleared with the most honorable of intentions. Leaving just Cop, sally, and Kath unknown."

Well at least you saved me a bit of time. Sorry to my mates, upheaval and last minute changes meant my schedule got tossed around and I wasn't quite as sharp as usual. Still it's been a pleasure and good fun to enjoy another game. I felt quite good and energized during the day...much more than I've had recently. So until next time...cheers.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kath

Ooh no I'm wrong! Shasta was also cleared by Lommy-Seer.

So it's just Boro, Cop and sally.

Originally Posted by Kath

And two out of those three are wolves! Well that's better odds!

Very nearly right! Two out of Boro, Kath, and Cop are wolves! Splendid indeed!


Anyway, I'm terribly sorry about yesterDay. I should be here for most of the rest of toDay, though I see Lommy has done the bulk of the work again. My sweet prince, how could you?

Of Kath and Cop, one is gifted, and one is a wolf. I will go through their posts a bit later this afternoon (must feast first!) and see what my thoughts are on the two of them.

I suppose there's no reason to put off my vote though. And so, with a heavy and broken heart....

++Boro

[Kath]

Alrighty then!

++Boro

Will have to look at Cop and sally.

[Coppermirror]

Let's see:

Day 4 ends, we get a wolf. (5:1)
Night 5 ends, the wolves get Lommy (4:1)
Day 5 starts, we have:
Kitanna the maniac
Shasta the known innocent
And three unknowns, one of which is a wolf.

Worst case scenario is we lynch an innocent then (taking us to 3:1) and then an innocent is night killed (taking us to 2:1). We would then have Kitanna + an unknown innocent + a wolf, with Kitanna holding the final decision. But I think it's unlikely that things will get that bad.

No time right now, but I'll take a good look through Kath and Sally's posts later.

++Boro