Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh, and Rune- if I had been the Hunter I would've chosen ++Phantom as my Hunt victim in the early going, until I had some information to go on.

The narcissistic play, I am not surprised.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rune

The narcissistic play, I am not surprised.

Heh, I wouldn't say that. Rather, the cautious play. As a Hunter I'd be much more terrified of blowing it than excited about the prospect of hitting it, if you follow.

As I said earlier, this village is rather blind so as a Hunter I'd almost feel like I was more of a threat to the village than to the Wolves. Well, statistically speaking that's true!

Thus I would hunt ++myself because I'd be scared of accidentally killing someone valuable. A Hunter is much more of an asset late in the game because (1) he can reveal & be ruled out, (2) Baddies may be afraid to kill him after the reveal thus he possibly survives that night to be a known innocent the following day as well (3) the percentage of hitting a Baddie increases as the village population decreases. So my Hunter strategy would be to refuse to use my Gift and try to stay alive long enough to make my Gift a factor.

[the phantom]

Anyway, while we're waiting around we should share music/sports/humor links on YouTube or something. And make the innocent wonder why on earth the Dead thread is so active.

Also, did anyone notice the first letters of Boro's first three posts? F-B-I

It's almost certainly coincidence, but those are the sort of things I look at just in case.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Det

Originally Posted by the phantom

Heh, I wouldn't say that. Rather, the cautious play. As a Hunter I'd be much more terrified of blowing it than excited about the prospect of hitting it, if you follow.

As I said earlier, this village is rather blind so as a Hunter I'd almost feel like I was more of a threat to the village than to the Wolves. Well, statistically speaking that's true!

Thus I would hunt ++myself because I'd be scared of accidentally killing someone valuable. A Hunter is much more of an asset late in the game because (1) he can reveal & be ruled out, (2) Baddies may be afraid to kill him after the reveal thus he possibly survives that night to be a known innocent the following day as well (3) the percentage of hitting a Baddie increases as the village population decreases. So my Hunter strategy would be to refuse to use my Gift and try to stay alive long enough to make my Gift a factor.

This level of empathy And matureness does not become you.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rune

This level of empathy And matureness does not become you.

Ha ha! But really, people ought to know that my ego is not my defining feature in Werewolf- rather it's an everpresent humorous sidebar. My defining feature is- I want to win. Nothing else gets in the way of that. (e.g. the last Dead Thread game where I was a Cobbler, some thought my ego was getting in the way because I didn't want to be lynched as a Cobbler, but in fact what was really going on was I was trying to clinch the win by lynching the Hunter and having her kill me- it was purely about tactics).

Originally Posted by Nog

How about the Champions League final on Saturday? Do the Spanish billionaires continue dominating the field or has Juve what it takes to kick them off the trophy?

Well, I'm fine with Barc winning if Messi puts on a show as he did a few days ago. But really England has won it a couple times semi-recently (Man & Chelsea) and Italy and Germany have both won it, so I wouldn't call Spain's run too dominant.

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm having hard times believing Aganzir to be the seer (in which I can of course be wrong). She looks nervously confident and scheming and (too)cognizant (too well informed), not seerish.

But the Seer is well informed, right? The WWs know three roles, whereas the Seer currently knows five. The Seer is the most informed.

And if not her as Seer, who else?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But the Seer is well informed, right? The WWs know three roles, whereas the Seer currently knows five. The Seer is the most informed.

And if not her as Seer, who else?

Yes, but the seer works alone - one who can discuss things with other good players is much more widely understanding of the different aspects of a situation in a totally weird game like this.

I don't know who else, but could you give me a reason to believe she actually is the seer - I mean if we just stick with this kind of meta-arguments (nervous, tries to hide or not make any controversies etc.) they ill include half the village - well third or fourth at least.

I see you tp backing her very consistently and it might be you're right and she's the seer and you're a bright ordo guessing that correctly. But I think there is another explanation which puts you two in the same pack... with probably Boro as the third? (Okay the last one is kind of a result of two things I read within a short interval - your neat way of noticing Boro had this FBI and Boro's post #286 in the living thread which would fit nicely if you three were a pack together.)

The biggest trouble is, I'm not too confident I would have managed to spot one whole wolf-trio on Day2... and I am totally aware it might be just totally wrong. But it is the most coherent explanation for several things that have happened I can come up thus far.

But we can check people here and need not get caught in unnecessary pointing at fingers here. So let's continue the discussion. (And I'll try to reach the flow of the living thread)

[Nogrod]

My bedtime is approaching... And a terrible thought occured to me. So if Rune is not able to come back before the DL and I and the phantom disagree on whom to give the extra-vote, the draw will then mean no extra-vote to anyone?

Kuru, could you confirm that? (I'll PM that as well.)

It might not be that terrible toDay as we have little to go, but later in the game when it might be important - and we might actually know something (or have some good reasons to think something) it might be important.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I don't know who else, but could you give me a reason to believe she actually is the seer -

Well, as I said, she could easily be a WW, yes, but the fact that she seems to be something is why I don't want her dead. Plus, if she is something the real Seer would be attracted to her & out her anyway and keeping her alive yet under the gun may lead to telling clues as to her packmates.

Anyway, possible reasons she was the Seer from yesterday-

Originally Posted by Agan

I like Rikae and phantom and won't be voting for either today.

Perhaps that would be the dream duo? Both innocent.
Then she wasn't afraid to emphasize me today.

Originally Posted by Agan

but it saddens me that phants is gone.

And again...

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm quite positive phantom was innocent

So confirming her initial innocent dream.

And from today-

Originally Posted by Agan

First off I owe an apology to Lommy.

So she suspected her after yesterday but dreamed her innocent over night then.

Originally Posted by Agan

I've never played with Firefoot before so it feels daring to say this, but she feels quite innocent to me.

And her second dream was Firefoot and she found her innocent. I suspected FF as well so she makes sense as a dream.

So anyway, that's why she's a good Seer candidate. (But also a good WW candidate since a WW would want to pave for a false reveal to delay her lynching.)

But wow, her most recent post is crazy!

[the phantom]

Also, sadly Rikae will be passing me after another 8 posts.

I was hoping to be the posting leader in both threads!

[Nogrod]

I'm having hard times believing Aganzir to be the seer (in which I can of course be wrong). She looks nervously confident and scheming and (too)cognizant (too well informed), not seerish. But yeah, I need to go back to do some reading again.

Originally Posted by tp

Also, did anyone notice the first letters of Boro's first three posts? F-B-I

It's almost certainly coincidence, but those are the sort of things I look at just in case.

Nice pick!

How about the Champions League final on Saturday? Do the Spanish billionaires continue dominating the field or has Juve what it takes to kick them off the trophy?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm having hard times believing Aganzir to be the seer (in which I can of course be wrong). She looks nervously confident and scheming and (too)cognizant (too well informed), not seerish. But yeah, I need to go back to do some reading again.

Nice pick!

How about the Champions League final on Saturday? Do the Spanish billionaires continue dominating the field or has Juve what it takes to kick them off the trophy?

So The Old Lady is more likeable because she got caught?

[Nogrod]

It's just that the Spanish billionires have won basically everything the last two decades (except what Bayern has taken from them) and it would be nice someone else did for a change.

[the phantom]

Note: have to conduct some business, but I won't be gone particularly long. In case you have to go to bed before I'm back, just, you know, keep an eye on the Living for reveals in need of saving etc. and vote smart. (I would say don't vote at all and leave it entirely in my hands, I'd probably prefer it, but if only one of you is innocent it would ensure a tie and even if you're both innocent you probably don't trust me quite enough to do that, ah well.)