Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rune

This level of empathy And matureness does not become you.

Ha ha! But really, people ought to know that my ego is not my defining feature in Werewolf- rather it's an everpresent humorous sidebar. My defining feature is- I want to win. Nothing else gets in the way of that. (e.g. the last Dead Thread game where I was a Cobbler, some thought my ego was getting in the way because I didn't want to be lynched as a Cobbler, but in fact what was really going on was I was trying to clinch the win by lynching the Hunter and having her kill me- it was purely about tactics).

Originally Posted by Nog

How about the Champions League final on Saturday? Do the Spanish billionaires continue dominating the field or has Juve what it takes to kick them off the trophy?

Well, I'm fine with Barc winning if Messi puts on a show as he did a few days ago. But really England has won it a couple times semi-recently (Man & Chelsea) and Italy and Germany have both won it, so I wouldn't call Spain's run too dominant.

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm having hard times believing Aganzir to be the seer (in which I can of course be wrong). She looks nervously confident and scheming and (too)cognizant (too well informed), not seerish.

But the Seer is well informed, right? The WWs know three roles, whereas the Seer currently knows five. The Seer is the most informed.

And if not her as Seer, who else?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But the Seer is well informed, right? The WWs know three roles, whereas the Seer currently knows five. The Seer is the most informed.

And if not her as Seer, who else?

Yes, but the seer works alone - one who can discuss things with other good players is much more widely understanding of the different aspects of a situation in a totally weird game like this.

I don't know who else, but could you give me a reason to believe she actually is the seer - I mean if we just stick with this kind of meta-arguments (nervous, tries to hide or not make any controversies etc.) they ill include half the village - well third or fourth at least.

I see you tp backing her very consistently and it might be you're right and she's the seer and you're a bright ordo guessing that correctly. But I think there is another explanation which puts you two in the same pack... with probably Boro as the third? (Okay the last one is kind of a result of two things I read within a short interval - your neat way of noticing Boro had this FBI and Boro's post #286 in the living thread which would fit nicely if you three were a pack together.)

The biggest trouble is, I'm not too confident I would have managed to spot one whole wolf-trio on Day2... and I am totally aware it might be just totally wrong. But it is the most coherent explanation for several things that have happened I can come up thus far.

But we can check people here and need not get caught in unnecessary pointing at fingers here. So let's continue the discussion. (And I'll try to reach the flow of the living thread)

[Nogrod]

My bedtime is approaching... And a terrible thought occured to me. So if Rune is not able to come back before the DL and I and the phantom disagree on whom to give the extra-vote, the draw will then mean no extra-vote to anyone?

Kuru, could you confirm that? (I'll PM that as well.)

It might not be that terrible toDay as we have little to go, but later in the game when it might be important - and we might actually know something (or have some good reasons to think something) it might be important.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I don't know who else, but could you give me a reason to believe she actually is the seer -

Well, as I said, she could easily be a WW, yes, but the fact that she seems to be something is why I don't want her dead. Plus, if she is something the real Seer would be attracted to her & out her anyway and keeping her alive yet under the gun may lead to telling clues as to her packmates.

Anyway, possible reasons she was the Seer from yesterday-

Originally Posted by Agan

I like Rikae and phantom and won't be voting for either today.

Perhaps that would be the dream duo? Both innocent.
Then she wasn't afraid to emphasize me today.

Originally Posted by Agan

but it saddens me that phants is gone.

And again...

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm quite positive phantom was innocent

So confirming her initial innocent dream.

And from today-

Originally Posted by Agan

First off I owe an apology to Lommy.

So she suspected her after yesterday but dreamed her innocent over night then.

Originally Posted by Agan

I've never played with Firefoot before so it feels daring to say this, but she feels quite innocent to me.

And her second dream was Firefoot and she found her innocent. I suspected FF as well so she makes sense as a dream.

So anyway, that's why she's a good Seer candidate. (But also a good WW candidate since a WW would want to pave for a false reveal to delay her lynching.)

But wow, her most recent post is crazy!

[the phantom]

Also, sadly Rikae will be passing me after another 8 posts.

I was hoping to be the posting leader in both threads!

[Nogrod]

I'm not having my eyes gleaming to get Aganzir lynched toDay. It could be another "saving private Agan" -train could be very informative to the Living thread (as it now seems she's gathering a lot of votes). And if she is the Seer, she'll call for the Ranger who would be stupid - without a reasonable-sounding counter-reveal - to ignore the call. So a decent amount of dreams would be saved anyway.

Your picks on her hints to her dreams are pretty decent indeed - although I'd not be surprised if you had that all planned beforehand (like Boro's FBI -thingy). Had I just found them myself I might have been impressed of my findings, but when they are coming from you whom I still do suspect before your status is established, then sorry, I need to take them with a pinch of salt just because I know you love exactly this kind of games and pre-planned stuff.

That said, I'm not sure if the possible failure from our part to make a difference of one vote toDay is anything really bad. But I would really like to know your alignment tp. With it a lot of things might become easier - fex. I'd be looking at Aganzir (and Boro) with a lot less suspicion were you established innocent (or "prey" as Kuru has decided to call us).

But whom to give the vote then? Let me think a moment... or let's discuss the options if either of you are around.

[the phantom]

On second thought seeing her list maybe Rikae wasn't her other dream but rather Legate with a Gifted role as I first thought?... I dunno...She's been consistently on both of their sides, yes?

But she has Lommy on her guilty list again even though she apologized. Weird. But she's been consistent enough on Ff and I... Bleh.

(Note: She just clarified that she never cleared Lommy, so maybe I need to look again?)

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

That said, I'm not sure if the possible failure from our part to make a difference of one vote toDay is anything really bad. But I would really like to know your alignment tp.

Ungifted prey. I wouldn't admit to ungifted on the Living thread but I'll do it here just to set the innocent at ease.

But really I can't believe the Living haven't been debating who they want us to check. That ticks me off, because the only way we can transfer info is if they ask us a question about someone we actually checked! Someone needs to step up and take the lead and basically fill my shoes on the Living thread.

If the decision is left entirely to us... Frankly I don't know who I'd pick, but I do know I'd pick a lynch victim as opposed to a night kill. But a lot can happen these last two hours so maybe our decision will be made for us.

[Kuruharan]

If votes in either thread are tied, nothing happens.

[Nogrod]

Btw. Aganzir's list (#346) doesn't quite fit with your idea tp.

I mean yeah, it shouldn't be one to one with her knowledge. It's understandable she'd need to make it not look like exactly the same she actually knows aka. she should bring in more people to the different categories, but if she was giving up non-list hints they should be consistent with her actual list - and at least Lommy is in a totally different place from your interpretation - so we have one dream missing? (I mean if she wanted to be consistent - which you'd need to be if you're wishing the ones coming after you're dead can rely on your points) If she wasn't the Seer that all would make sense?

Yeah, maybe she dreamt of Rune and couldn't then make anything of it toDay in her list (like she couldn't make anything of you tp as you're dead)? But it would be a coincidence indeed she dreamt of both people who got Nightkilled, especially when you tp thought it was a far fetched thing or a shot in the dark for the one wolf-pack to pick Rune - so she just somehow managed to make that very same very improbable choice?

[Nogrod]

It's nice that we post rarely and in slow speed - but still manage to cross-post even pretty short ones...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

she was one of the few people that seemed genuine (as much as that is possible for Agan) to me.

*puts on dark sunglasses and does her best KGB agent impression*

Originally Posted by the phantom

I faked a Lover connection because I didn't mind dying

And dragged me into it too! Thanks phantom! (I did see it and it made me laugh - after all I like dwarves, even if Tyrion Lannister has never been my particular favourite. )

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, while we're waiting around we should share music/sports/humor links on YouTube or something. And make the innocent wonder why on earth the Dead thread is so active.

You folks are hilarious. Many seemed to think all you'd do is fight, but reading your gentlemanly stuff is so much fun! I love how companionable this place is though (at least so far), even if we're still suspecting each other.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But I think there is another explanation which puts you two in the same pack... with probably Boro as the third?

NOGROD you're such a tease! Now I'm sad this didn't happen. (Although let's be honest if it did, you'd be here with two other people.)

And yeah, I wasn't going for a seer look but took care to phrase my posts in a way that could be interpreted that way, so nice spotting.