Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Mithalwen]

Um sorry I fell asleep... I literally fell asleep.. could you all be slightly more amusing to keep me awake,, just a hint maths and philosophers aint the way to go.....

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Come now, you know how this dance works. You think it's some cheap injustice because you get caught by a slip of the fingers, a lapse of focus of not carefully combing your words. And the thieves at your door say "ah-ha we got you!" and that's all they harp on because that's all they have. But sometimes that is enough. We both understand the feeling of being robbed right under our nose, it makes our blood boil, but in the end what can you do? Tip your cap and silently think, next time we shall have a different dance.

And what a dance it shall be!

Anyway it's godawfully late (although there's something nostalgic about playing werewolf when the sun is rising) so...

++Greenie

Can't really think about this - or stay up - any longer and intuitively I feel worst about her.

I'm sorry about my lack of participation today, it's the combined result of being busy and having got way way way too little sleep these last several days. I promise to be better tomorrow if I'm still here, and if I'm not, well, do consider taking a look at the people who made it happen. *sprays mouth with silver paint*

[Mithalwen]

Fellow players, our absent (Gwathagor) will not be joining us looking at the other thread. Is there a case for lynching him or would doing Kuru's housekeeping be just lazy? If he is an innocent we save lynching another innocent, if he is a wolf well..great.. if a gifted.. well I suppose Kuru would be less likely to reallocate it if we lynch him rather than leaving him Hors Concours

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Agan votes Green, hmm.

Both Green and Mac were listed as suspicious in her previous post, and she did narrow the choice down to them. Mac had 2 votes; Green had 1. Mac has garnered far more attention than Green. We might think voting Mac would give the better chance for Agan to avoid the noose one more time. But I suppose voting for Mac, as he was closest challenger to be today's lynch-candidate, would have looked too suspicious.

Latching on to Legate's strange case against Green might have proved a better option to save her skin; that is, if Green could have turned out to be another sleeper lynch like Nogrod was.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Fellow players, our absent (Gwathagor) will not be joining us looking at the other thread. Is there a case for lynching him or would doing Kuru's housekeeping be just lazy? If he is an innocent we save lynching another innocent, if he is a wolf well..great.. if a gifted.. well I suppose Kuru would be less likely to reallocate it if we lynch him rather than leaving him Hors Concours

Don't worry about Gwath.

He's removed and I'll just tell you now that Excel made him an Ordo.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Fellow players, our absent (Gwathagor) will not be joining us looking at the other thread. Is there a case for lynching him or would doing Kuru's housekeeping be just lazy? If he is an innocent we save lynching another innocent, if he is a wolf well..great.. if a gifted.. well I suppose Kuru would be less likely to reallocate it if we lynch him rather than leaving him Hors Concours

As much this seems like a bad break for us, I think it would be a waste to lynch Gwath. Just let his spirit leave the Barrow and hopefully find some rest.

[Mithalwen]

Thank you, o absent host.... better steel myself to read again. All rather a stab in the dark still

[Kuruharan]

I keep forgetting to do a...

"A mysterious metal pipe with a speaking horn attached suddenly appears in the hall and speaks thusly!"

[Macalaure]

Back and reading and thinking.

Vote count for starters:

Lottie -> morm
Nerwen -> Mac
Greenie -> Agan
Lalaith -> Agan(2)
Lommy -> Agan(3)
Legate -> Green
Caber -> Agan(4)
morm -> Mac(2)
Agan -> Green(2)

Agan 4, me and Greenie 2, morm 1

[Mithalwen]

Nvm Kuru....you are being amusing.. I shan't vote for you, now how about a little clue to make up for being an ordo down?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I apologize for my lack of participation today - I've been on the road to a hotel for a lot of it.

We've an hour to go until DL and I'm still not certain who I'm voting for. Most of the suspicions I've had thus far have lessened a bit, save Lottie who I've said I'd rather not vote for toDay on account of she's not here to answer my questions.

I did think Agan was suspiciously jumpy yesterday, but toDay I do think she's made an unanswered point;

Originally Posted by Agan

Thinlómien - strong and overtly excited reaction to my joke, and tries to make it sound like I used tiredness as my only excuse when I in fact said I got really upset because I felt she was being intentionally rude.

(bolding mine)

It may just be Aganwolf grasping at anything and everything to save themselves, but I've had the same reaction when I thought someone was being intentionally rude to me, so I'm probably biased in thinking she's telling the truth here. Of course, as I type this, it occurs to me that I can't think of any reason it can't actually be the truth for an Aganwolf. And Lommy hasn't posted since she said that, either, so it's not as though she's had a chance to answer this.

I may go back momentarily and look at Lommy, actually; something Eomer said recently struck a bit of a chord with me regarding her -

Originally Posted by Eomer

egate's lonely vendetta against Green is very curious and interesting: there's a fair chance that his intentions are pure but it reminds me all too much of a tactic I've pursued, with evil motive, in the past - focus with laserlike precision on a random villager of whom no-one else is taking notice.

Granted, Agan has hardly gone without notice but Lommy's been fairly laserlike as far as I can tell. I need to go back and see if she's focused on anyone else.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

now how about a little clue to make up for being an ordo down?

Very well.

The wolves have posted somewhere in this thread.

[Rikae]

Of the current candidates I think Greenie is the creepiest, however, I'd much prefer Lottie. Is there any support for that?

[Mithalwen]

I suppose an useful one would have been too much to ask for? sigh..

[Firefoot]

After reading over Greenie's posts, I don't really understand the campaign against her. Still not convinced about Agan, either - I sort of wonder if this whole Again/Lommy business has gotten way out of proportion, to the exclusion of discussing other players... *if* both of them are innocent, it would be a good tactic by wolves to keep pushing that discussion, keep the focus there and off themselves. Or maybe everyone else is more perceptive than me and I just don't see what's right in front of my face.

I'm becoming increasingly convinced of Eomer's innocence; he seems to be echoing my confused villager thoughts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Of the current candidates I think Greenie is the creepiest, however, I'd much prefer Lottie. Is there any support for that?

Eh... I could be persuaded.

But Green I don't buy; and now I'm seeing a Legate/Agan combination setting her up - which probably doesn't make much sense, but oh well. Anyway, I'm somewhat less concerned about saving Agan right now.

On Mac I have little idea, but seemed fairly sincere so far. No giant red arrows anyway.

What's up with Loslote?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Koala

• Mithalwen - Mum feels too detached and bored to be anyone with a role. Also, is my mother.
• Formendacil - His Evel Knievel-style self-voting was... Casting what could be the last stone against yourself takes... stones. *apologises*
• Rikae - Still feel the same way about the Mistress as I did yesterDAY.
• Boromir88 - Nothing changed since yesterDAY.
• Legate of Amon Lanc - Continuing the 'anyone who thinks like I do is innocent' meme, his analysis of the NIGHT kills tells me he's an innocent trying to make sense of a cruel, senseless, and information-less world.

Shark-infested waters


Swarm of killer beers [sic]

• Aganzir - I have an evil(!) idea drafted called 'Agan as test case' where knowledge of her role and Nogrod would help clear up plenty of confusion regarding yesterDAY's vote. Since she remains fairly suspicious, I'd not mind going through with this plan. I'd most likely vote for her toDAY

Komodo dragon

• Kath

Godzilla

• Nilpaurion Felagund - I said 'evil'. Lynch me.
• Kuruharan

The rest of you I should have a read on, but no hard and fast one. I'll go through the middle-class posters (most of the absentees on the list) to see if I missed anything.

[Macalaure]

Looking pretty innocent to me:
Rikae
Lommy
Lalaith
Eomer
Mithalwen

Leaning innocent:
McCaber
Boromir (buying his explanation about the innocent slip)
mormegil
Nilp (the wolf-on-wolf comment about Lommy-Agan is the only thing I have on him)
Legate (still don't like that one post of his earlier toDay, but otherwise I don't see anything)
Greenie

Still under the radar:
Kath

Undecided:
Formendacil (behavior is somewhat suspicious, but that self-vote...)
Nerwen
Shasta

Somewhat suspicious:
Sally (her case against Rune and some general uneasiness)
Lottie (her behavior around the Agan-Lommy argument resulting in her vote yesterDay, and her jumping on morm toDay)
Firefoot (throwing shady suspicions at me and then jumping on it when I argued against them, only reason she's in this group and not one up is because I'm worried about being kneejerk)

Fairly suspicious:
Aganzir (reason stated all over the place)

I'm surprised Agan voted for Greenie. She suspected me, too, and I already had more votes.

Reason tells me the case against Agan is clear, but my gut hesitates. I don't like any of the present alternatives, though, especially since one of those alternatives is me.

[satansaloser2005]

Speaking of falling asleep....

[Rikae]

Firefoot

Day 1
5 - 25% chance of nailing a baddie today
8 - Banter
37 - wants to orchestrate vote to ensure a tie
51 -Reiterates that she wants a tie
200 - Unsure who seems more suspicions of Lommy/Agan, Nog probably innocent because of role confusion
207 - Admitted throw-away vote for Gwath

Day 2
252 - why innocents and wolves would/would not want to tie. Seems not to conclude much from it (gives reasons on all sides), but finds Lottie, Mac & McCaber suspicious.
253 - Getting bad vibes from me, gives no reason.
280 - Suspicious of the Nogawagon
284 - Says Mac is being defensive
348 -

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I apologize if I seem wishy-washy; the real problem is that I just don't have enough time to dig through the massive number of posts in this thread to make good analyses, but I don't want to be absent either, so I've mostly just been posting impressions.

I can relate to that when pressed for time, but still, the result is pretty indistinguishable from safe-under-reindeer-wolvery.
352 - Suspicion list. Lottie, Mac & McCaber still top suspects (as in her first post).

Conclusions: very safe, very under-the-radar, but otherwise seems innocent enough.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Eh... I could be persuaded.

But Green I don't buy; and now I'm seeing a Legate/Agan combination setting her up - which probably doesn't make much sense, but oh well. Anyway, I'm somewhat less concerned about saving Agan right now.

On Mac I have little idea, but seemed fairly sincere so far. No giant red arrows anyway.

What's up with Loslote?

Well, I analyzed her earlier and thought she looked pretty sketchy.

[Rikae]

Why does everyone find me innocent? Suspect me, people! I have a wolf avatar! What's a person gotta do to get suspected around here?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

On Lommy

#70 - Comes out as anti-tie, queries the wisdom of instructing the dead thread, and "smells Freud" in regards to Agan (the start of the infamous slip-fest). Again, re-reading it, I may be naive but it seems like a pretty straightforward Agan-esque joke to me.

#129 - Clarifies where she's coming from re: Agan, and I can kind of see where she's coming from in that the joke itself can kind of be read in two different lights ('lynching' vs 'killing' and the derivative of 'we'). Weirdly enough, I get the impression that had Agan reacted to the alternate reading ('lynching' vs 'killing'), Lommy would have been okay with it? Except to me they seem relatively the same. Perhaps I'm just reading into it differently. Anyway, Lommy uses this as the basis for suspecting Agan due to reacting a bit too wolvishly (I think?) She also mentions always suspecting Lottie on Day 1, although I don't think anything ever came of this. I agree with her statements about not wasting lynch opportunities. I also basically agree with everything she's said thus far about the dead thread -

Originally Posted by Lommy

I disagree. We cannot control the Dead Thread. I've been thinking about this and what I would do if I died and had to vote on the dead thread. First off, I would be likely to start lazing because following two threads and general frustration at being dead, ugh. (I'm being honest here.) Being the good citizen I am, I'd still probably get as far as voting. Now, would I follow the instructions of the living? Possibly, unless we dead people had a better idea. How to convey that to the living? And - I'm emphasizing this again - whose instructions would I follow? Say, the phantom suggests a course of action for the dead thread. Six living people state they agree. Four state they disagree. The rest don't comment. Now, are the living to assume the dead then followed the instructions? How could they know? Or what if two living players had two different ideas for what the dead should do and there was no clear consensus? Whose idea would the dead follow then? And how would the living ever deduce whose idea the dead went with?

Seriously, unless we elect a living village spokesperson or something, there's no way of clearly communicating with the dead. The best we can do is probably use our knowledge of the personalities and the playing styles of the deceased and try to guess what those particular players would do, but that's a little risky. In short, we shouldn't make decisions based on how we can use the dead thread until we have found a way to do so, because it's possible we'll never find one.

#133 - More about the dead thread.

#139 - Lommy makes a list of everyone. It's worth noting that the only person in her "The Bad" category besides Agan is Sally, for -

Originally Posted by Lommy

in a manner that makes me think of sneaky Sallywolves of the past

However, in her "The Ugly" category there are a number of people who appear to also be under the radar, including Gwath, McCaber, Boro, and Kath. It's also worth noting that Lommy adds Agan's position on tying the lynch (she's pro-tie) to reasons to suspect her.

#145 - More about the dead thread and the plan to get information from it.

#157 - Lommy really cements her suspicion of Agan here, adding Agan's defensiveness (which, again, I tend to agree with, whatever the reason) to her reasoning. Honestly, the more I read Lommy's posts the more I see where she's coming from. It is possible an Aganwolf was trying to handwave Lommy's suspicion of her by painting her as silly. I can't really speak with certainty for why Agan might have made a slip (if indeed it is one), but -

Originally Posted by Lommy

If you were innocent, you wouldn't be half as annoyed by me remarking on your wolvish perspective, and I suspect you're just enjoying your wolfing in this game with a nice pack and even the tiniest prospect that your enjoyment might be cut short both makes you fight back and gets on your nerves because you dislike being "busted" on something so trivial, especially if you indeed intentionally chose to comment on morm's joke from that angle and I was accusing you on the wrong grounds.

is kinda plausible, I guess. (I admit my first reaction to rereading this is what I'd say if she talked to me like this - "How do you know what I would and would not do in a given situation? You're not me." )



Given that we're so close to DL, I'm going to go ahead and post the first part of this. I haven't seen Lommy really suspect anyone else, which was the main reason I came back to do this in the first place, but I do admit to being a bit more suspicion of Agan now. I have to wonder if the main reason I want to think Agan is innocent is that I'm an emotional player like she is.

[Macalaure]

I'll admit I gave starting a bandwaggon for Lottie a thought, but:
- I'm not sure about the chances of success, and with my own life possibly on the line, I don't want to risk it
- Another last minute bandwaggon to save Agan?
- Even though my gut is playing tricks with my mind right now, when it comes down to it, I simply suspect Aganzir more.

So why wait any longer:

++Aganzir

[Firefoot]

Getting close to the deadline, so for previously stated reasons:

++Macalaure

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lottie -> morm
Nerwen -> Mac
Greenie -> Agan
Lalaith -> Agan(2)
Lommy -> Agan(3)
Legate -> Green
Caber -> Agan(4)
morm -> Mac(2)
Agan -> Green(2)
Mac -> Agan(5)
Firefoot -> Mac(3)

And my vote make it six for

++Aganzir

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Given that we're so close to DL, I'm going to go ahead and post the first part of this. I haven't seen Lommy really suspect anyone else, which was the main reason I came back to do this in the first place, but I do admit to being a bit more suspicion of Agan now. I have to wonder if the main reason I want to think Agan is innocent is that I'm an emotional player like she is.

My recent back-and-forth with Agan here I was trying to press to her a bit, because she's been dropping signs around that she knows more, or is more than an ordo. And even though there seems to be frustration that her jests have been scrutinized, I was letting her know she should know by now that's how this dance works. Everything comes under scrutiny, and she shouldn't be surprised when she willingly attracts attention that she becomes the focus of the scrutiny.

She stopped short of any reveal (true or false) which could mean she's a wolf and sees the writing on the wall, or has become frustrated to the point that she's ready to join the Dead.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My recent back-and-forth with Agan here I was trying to press to her a bit, because she's been dropping signs around that she knows more, or is more than an ordo. And even though there seems to be frustration that her jests have been scrutinized, I was letting her know she should know by now that's how this dance works. Everything comes under scrutiny, and she shouldn't be surprised when she willingly attracts attention that she becomes the focus of the scrutiny.

She stopped short of any reveal (true or false) which could mean she's a wolf and sees the writing on the wall, or has become frustrated to the point that she's ready to join the Dead.

Is she even around, to have a chance to reveal? It is 5 am there.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why does everyone find me innocent? Suspect me, people! I have a wolf avatar! What's a person gotta do to get suspected around here?

Oh ok then oh cerulean furry one, I will take that as a confession.


+Rikae

[Shastanis Althreduin]

On Lommy - Continued

#166 - Makes the same point against Nog that I did, regarding ordos and whether or not they should be okay with getting lynched. Says more about the dead thread and continues to fight with Agan.

#167 - Clarifies that she thinks Rikae innocent for the moment. It's interesting how this quote -

Originally Posted by Lommy

In my experience, you usually get mad when you feel pressured, and you feel more pressured more often when you're a wolf.

- relates to her bout with Agan, considering she didn't actually mention Agan in this post.

#176 - More about the dead thread. Also voices a minor suspicion of Nog for pushing a Phantom-lynch despite not suspecting him. That's the biggest non-Agan suspicion Lommy has had thus far, as far as I can tell.

Next day...


#264 - Thinks Phantom was an ordo and Rune was killed for looking like a nervous Gifted.

#271 - Rehashes the Agan suspicion, and I've come across something that confuses me -

Originally Posted by Lommy

3. Agan replies to morm by making a joke that she used the word "kill" (instead of "lynch") because she's a wolf and it was a Freudian slip.

Except what Agan actually said was

Originally Posted by Agan

"We" obviously as in "us villagers", not as in "me and my wolf pack", duh!

That's thrown me for a bit of a loop and as it's five minutes to deadline I'll go ahead and post this and (hopefully) get to finish it tomorrow.

[Rikae]

Well, for what it's worth:

++A Little Green

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Is she even around, to have a chance to reveal? It is 5 am there.

This was probably about an hour ago, before she voted. Her last post, along voting for Greenie:

I'm sorry about my lack of participation today, it's the combined result of being busy and having got way way way too little sleep these last several days. I promise to be better tomorrow if I'm still here, and if I'm not, well, do consider taking a look at the people who made it happen. *sprays mouth with silver paint*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++AGANZIR

Because maybe I'm blind and there is something up with her. I still don't see it, really. But by now I think we need to find out her role. Not that we will, anytime soon, but...

Most suspicious of Legate, though.

[Boromir88]

++Aganzir

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Lottie

The last bit of analysis I posted made me completely second-guess myself regarding Lommy/Agan so I'm voting my other suspicion even though I know she won't be lynched. Bah.

[Kuruharan]

The Deadline has come, please stop posting.

The narration will be posted soon.

NIGHT folk may start their activities.

[satansaloser2005]

I have just enough time to say that I don't understand the Agan wagon, and then I need to fall silent and into a deep slumber. I'm terribly sorry, folks.

x'd with the mod, possibly

[Kuruharan]

The debate was long and hard again, it took its toll on all.

Fortunately, food had been mysteriously provided again.

Even so, after many hours of debate, the inmates must have been getting a little loopy for they started wondering if they would receive an otherworldly visitor...or sign...or something!!!!

But nothing happened.

Why was that? Oh well, can't worry about that, thar be killin' to do!

The inmates seized Aganzir and thrust her under the blade!

THUNK

Ahh! That was satisfying!

Suddenly there was a creak...a SNAP...and

CHOMP

A huge bear trap suddenly snapped shut on the legs of A Little Green!

Crossbow bolts suddenly flew through the chamber and tore A Little Green to pieces.

Then the lights went out.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor(Ordo)

Housekeeping Note: Due to a family committment tomorrow, I will be starting DAY 3 at 7 PM EST tomorrow. Everyone who has picks please have them to me by then. I thought making the DAY longer was more fair than making the NIGHT longer.

[Kuruharan]

"BREAKFAST!!!!!" came an insultingly loud voice out of nowhere.

The sun was filtering down again.

Sure enough, a healthy morning repast was spread out on the tables.

As much as their stomachs were rumbling...something was putting them off wanting to dive in...

It probably had something to do with the mass of gore strewn about the place. New gore, that is, somehow the previous bodies and their attendant fluids had also vanished.

But there was so much mess laying about that nobody gave it much thought.

One of the residents scratched as they all looked about themselves.

Sure seemed like more mess than would be made by just two people.

Sure enough, they found the head of Macalaure...

Then Rikae...how ironic...

...and Legate of Amon Lanc

Still, best to dig in before it gets cold!

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor(Ordo)

Those who must stop PMing, do so!

The DAY will end at the customary hour.

[mormegil]

What the what! I'm off to a family event but a lot to think about and process. How were there 3?