Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Agan

Not quite following you here, unless you're talking about an ordo sacrifice.

Exactly. But how likely is it that other Ordos would do what I would do? (Basically, does my reaction matter at all in determining whether Ff reacted properly?).

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Top level argumentation from the 'Downs Werewolf

That is a good argument for Lommy in this case. If player X is against killing player Y, but then player Y is Night killed, it is less likely that player X was a part of it (packmates would've had to go strictly against that player). Yes, that assumes player X is telling the truth, but it certainly seemed that she was.

[the phantom]

Ah, you know, I do recall one of your theories, Mac.
(goes to get it)

Originally Posted by Mac

So the seer is allowed, maybe once in the game, to send two of their dreams to one person of their choice. They send the identities of two wolves they've dreamed of, but they chose poorly, and sent it to evil Nerwen. Nerwen identifies one wolf from the other pack (Lottie) and feeds her to the mob. The other wolf is one of her own, and she switches him/her, instead naming me, who she and others have been suspecting all along.

But this doesn't make sense either. The seer must've dreamed of some innocent, some of which should still be alive. They would've chosen one of them, and not taken a risk.

Why couldn't the power have been sending THAT night's dreams (and that night the Seer picked you and Lottie). Thus Nerwolf could feed the village Lottie and pretend you were guilty and never be caught (because the dream went to her rather than the Seer.

How about that as an explanation?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Exactly. But how likely is it that other Ordos would do what I would do? (Basically, does my reaction matter at all in determining whether Ff reacted properly?).

I would probably have reacted similarly to Firefoot, but then, I have a tendency - wolf or innocent - to defend myself vocally against poor suspicions (you could argue all suspicion seems groundless to me though ). And in this case, Firefoot had indeed voted for Mac at a critical-ish moment.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

It's kind of hard to get motivated to post some long-ish maybe-helpful stuff if nobody appears to be reading my posts anyway.

Aw sorry Mac I went back and saw the post phantom just quoted here - I'd forgotten about it because that's pretty much when friends used strong language to tell me to stop stalking the game on my phone.

I want to say I'm not convinced of your guilt. At the moment it seems more convenient to assume Nerwen was telling the truth, but I want you to know I'll listen to whatever you have to say. I kind of wish we'd checked you toNIGHT just to be on the safe side about this, but it is true that Legate has more leads.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

A late-night salad (lettuce, new cucumbers and baby-tomatoes) of smoked whitefish (cisco) and new potatoes with eggs and dill-oil.

Sounds lovely! I had a nicoise salad and actually now that I started talking about it, I think I'm going to get another plate.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Why couldn't the power have been sending THAT night's dreams (and that night the Seer picked you and Lottie). Thus Nerwolf could feed the village Lottie and pretend you were guilty and never be caught (because the dream went to her rather than the Seer.

How about that as an explanation?

This occurred to me earlier.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Agan

that's pretty much when friends used strong language to tell me to stop stalking the game on my phone.

Tell your friends that we are more important.

Originally Posted by Mac

Not Lottie and me, Lottie and one of her own packmates. She couldn't be truthful about the second dream, so she substituted me.

If Nerwen is lying, why couldn't it have been you, just dreamed as innocent instead (so Nerwen just lies about that)?

Originally Posted by Legate

Julius Caesar, Napoleon and a few others would want a word with you.

Your Mom wants a word with you.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If Nerwen is lying, why couldn't it have been you, just dreamed as innocent instead (so Nerwen just lies about that)?

Why would she have lied about that? Little benefit (some confusion), high risk (seer knows she's lying). Unless it's her main plan to flush out the seer? If so, the seer is, thank God, staying mum about it.

[the phantom]

Who says the Seer even knows the results of the dreams? Why would he/she know Nerwen was lying?

[Nogrod]

Let's draw the basics for the old folks...

So Nerwen

1) Actually received the message she told she received and was true with it's content - whatever her own alignment. Thus we should trust both Lottie and Mac are wolves.

2) Actually received the message she told she received but was not true with it's content - because it implied herself or another one of her pack (which would be an interesting thing if the letter (PM) told her to refer it true - what kind of sanctions would breaking that kind of ruling by the mod have?). Thus we could probably trust she has Lottie correct (with her own admittance) but would be kind of in dark with Mac.

3) Is a lover with Sally and made it up to gain time - and happily managed to hit at least one wolf (Lottie, with her own admittance - wouldn't that be annoying Lottie?), but that wouldn't tell us anything about Mac - but maybe that lover-Nerwen probably suspected him seriously?

4) is the seer and gave everyone her two wolves as she saw it was time to do something. Thus we should trust both Lottie and Mac are wolves.


Something seems to be wrong in all the scenarios (except maybe the first)...

I mean could you disobey a clear rule in a game like this? Without sanctions? (2)

What is the idea of coming up with that kind of out of the blue scenario if you're a lover? There must be something I have missed with the arguments for this scenario. (3)

Why would the seer kind of reveal but yet not make it so the ranger would feel it her/his duty to protect her the next Night? Or is she counting on the wolves thinking that she's just an ordo with this kind of luck fallen on her and thus not worthy of killing? (4)


But then there is also the matter of this special role: if the special role is that someone get's the seer's dreams then who did the extra killing? Or is there a kind of merry-go-around -role when someone is for one day the seer-receiver, one is an assassin another etc.?

And what has all this to do with itching and scratching?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

3) Is a lover with Sally and made it up to gain time - and happily managed to hit at least one wolf (Lottie, with her own admittance - wouldn't that be annoying Lottie?), but that wouldn't tell us anything about Mac - but maybe that lover-Nerwen probably suspected him seriously? ... What is the idea of coming up with that kind of out of the blue scenario if you're a lover? There must be something I have missed with the arguments for this scenario. (3)

I'll take a very quick look at her and sally's posts to see if there's anything that would suggest this is the case.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

what's better than dead Europeans controlling this thread?

Julius Caesar, Napoleon and a few others would want a word with you.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It was decent for an early summer night. Missed the cool Riesling though.

I think we all miss Mac and Rikae's Riesling even more...

[Macalaure]

Why couldn't the power have been sending THAT night's dreams

Possible, I suppose. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference whether it was the most recent dreams or the seer's "best of", though.

(and that night the Seer picked you and Lottie)

Not Lottie and me, Lottie and one of her own packmates. She couldn't be truthful about the second dream, so she substituted me. I know how full of holes this theory is as well.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Julius Caesar, Napoleon and a few others would want a word with you.

QUID RIDES, VERVEX?