Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Rikae]

Ok, caught up now, Nerwen calling Firefoot innocent and exempting a whole boatload of people from lynching: Lommy, Eomer, Shasta. Maybe Nilp.

Caught up, but lost. I can't even keep track anymore. What do we know?
Boro can only kill wolves and gifteds, apparently? If so, can we count Lalaith as a wolf without bothering to scry her? She called herself an ordo.
Of course that only works if we trust Boro, and trust that this is indeed how his ability works.

If Nerwen knows Firefoot is innocent, there's no reason to waste a scry on her, either.

I may even be the best option. So, I'm supposed to be a member of the Fang pack with Mac and (apparently seer-dreamed innocent) Lommy or (also apparently seer-dreamed innocent, and also dead) Firefoot? I'm not sure how much good knowing I'm not will do you.

Agan, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who finds the tone of Boro's reveal fishy. Not that he might not have good reasons for it.

I'm sorry if I seem to be saying random things. Like I said, I'm kind of lost at the moment.

[Rikae]

Also... although as I said, I'm not sure how useful it will be, I'll vote with Agan/Greenie/Legate (assuming they vote together, which I hope they will) on toNight's scry.

[Rikae]

Triple posting...

It's odd how Nerwen talked about me being a seer-impersonating wolf.
It leaves me wondering if she had some kind of a glimpse into what goes on in the dead thread.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Mac/Lalaith/Eomer, maybe? Although Rikae's fake Seer reveal and Mac's cool response to it would make sense if Rikae were his packmate, so maybe Mac/Rikae and one of Lalaith or Eomer.

Originally Posted by Rikae

How do you figure? Because as it is (if we scry Lalaith), both Firefoot and I are going to remain unknown.

If Mac had believed your reveal, I think he would have acted differently. Really which wolf could resist gloating at a dead seer who only had one (dead) wolf dreamed? I know I couldn't. So either your innocent list contained a fellow of his so he knew you were lying, or you two are packmates. I wouldn't put it past you, finding you've both been killed, to pull such a trick - after all you both could conclude it with "Their reaction made them look like an ordo to me."

Originally Posted by Rikae

Boro can only kill wolves and gifteds, apparently? If so, can we count Lalaith as a wolf without bothering to scry her? She called herself an ordo.
Of course that only works if we trust Boro, and trust that this is indeed how his ability works.

Can he? I don't think he ever said that, or if he did I can't find it. I thought he only said he was sure Lalaith wasn't a gifted. I hope you're right though!

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also... although as I said, I'm not sure how useful it will be, I'll vote with Agan/Greenie/Legate (assuming they vote together, which I hope they will) on toNight's scry.

There's just one problem - it's nearly 10 pm, both Greenie and I have work early tomorrow and nobody has voted or so much as suggested a way of communicating information. Not happy about the slowness.

Originally Posted by Rikae

It's odd how Nerwen talked about me being a seer-impersonating wolf.
It leaves me wondering if she had some kind of a glimpse into what goes on in the dead thread.

Well considering I thought your posts looked seerish (really it was the main reason I brought Greenie here instead of Mac), I don't think it means she's been spying on us!

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Mac had believed your reveal, I think he would have acted differently. Really which wolf could resist gloating at a dead seer who only had one (dead) wolf dreamed? I know I couldn't. So either your innocent list contained a fellow of his so he knew you were lying, or you two are packmates. I wouldn't put it past you, finding you've both been killed, to pull such a trick - after all you both could conclude it with "Their reaction made them look like an ordo to me."

I thought that he would have, too, but the people I listed: Boro, Lommy, Agan and Firefoot - are all in the clear now, assuming we believe Boro and Nerwen.
So basically, either I am Mac's packmate or he just did a good job of reacting innocently to my accusation.
Actually, if you guys want to just write me off as a known wolf and scry someone else, it would probably be best. Of course, by saying that someone's probably going to come up with a theory that I'm protecting a fellow by saying this...

Originally Posted by Agan

Can he? I don't think he ever said that, or if he did I can't find it. I thought he only said he was sure Lalaith wasn't a gifted. I hope you're right though!

The phantom quoted a post earlier where he implies it.

Originally Posted by Agan

There's just one problem - it's nearly 10 pm, both Greenie and I have work early tomorrow and nobody has voted or so much as suggested a way of communicating information. Not happy about the slowness.

Yes, that could be bad. A good chance there are three wolves here now (at least) and they're working together, and our three known innocents are Europeans.
Actually, that's a reason to scry me: I'm always around at DL.

Edit: X'd with phantom and wolfie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I may even be the best option. So, I'm supposed to be a member of the Fang pack with Mac and (apparently seer-dreamed innocent) Lommy or (also apparently seer-dreamed innocent, and also dead) Firefoot? I'm not sure how much good knowing I'm not will do you.

With Mac and Lalaith, assuming Eomer was indeed dreamed and found innocent by the Seer.

[the phantom]

According to Nerwen-

Wolves: Mac, Lottie

Innocent: Firefoot, Phantom, Eomer, Shasta, Lommy

Possible Wolves: Form, McCaber, Morm, Nilp, Mith, Kath

Doesn't List: Sally, Boro

But that's only seven dreams instead of eight. Which dream hasn't she mentioned yet? (Or did I miss it?)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But that's only seven dreams instead of eight. Which dream hasn't she mentioned yet? (Or did I miss it?)

Presumably she has another wolf. Alternately, she was telling the truth about the special role dynamic, and she herself is the eighth dream.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

According to Nerwen-

Wolves: Mac, Lottie

Innocent: Firefoot, Phantom, Eomer, Shasta, Lommy

Possible Wolves: Form, McCaber, Morm, Nilp, Mith, Kath

Doesn't List: Sally, Boro

But that's only seven dreams instead of eight. Which dream hasn't she mentioned yet? (Or did I miss it?)

Originally Posted by Lottie

Presumably she has another wolf. Alternately, she was telling the truth about the special role dynamic, and she herself is the eighth dream.

Sally, Boro, Nerwen... nice pack?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally, Boro, Nerwen... nice pack?

At this point the real seer would be able to discredit them...

[the phantom]

Well, I'm pretty comfortable with everything that has been going on with the Living. Nothing shocking or difficult to believe, especially as no one has attempted to counter at this point (which, at this stage of the game, they would if they believed the village was headed in a dangerous direction).

I can only check in periodically today, but I'll be fully present for the final hour or so.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

To be honest, I believed Boro more before he disclosed his hints, because they are just... horribly lame. I mean, they sound like things a Wolf would put in and later claim they were hints. "Den-dweller"! Seeriously?

Anyway, what puzzles me the most at the moment is if we have one special role, and let's say it is Boro, then what in the name of all is Nerwen - I am really beginning to wonder if she is simply the Seer (which would indeed be brilliant trick from her).

Anyway, seems the Living have nicely managed to dismantle any chances for us to communicate something to them, riight? Because no one has posted any nice list like Firefoot did yesterDay, and if they come up with the whole stuff really late (and under some voting fray we are not sure that we want to endorse), it's really difficult...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now I may have some more to add later. For now, though, in case I can't get online again, I'll just say that the Ranger had better not waste a protection on me. Among other things I don't think I'll be getting any more pms anyway and we've got (effectively) a whole bunch of known innocents now.

If she is the seer (I could buy it - well I have to read toDay's posting on the living thread first), that is cool indeed.

"I don't think I'm getting any more PM's"...

[Nogrod]

Okay. A Busy day... and just only managed to read trough the Dead Thread to get something like a hang of it.

So sorry Lalaith, but it seems this place only has Riesling on offer - not quite Sancerre, sadly.

And welcome to Firefoot as well!


On another issue. Our seer must have nerves of steel, whoever it is. *hats off*

On a related issue - I do have a feeling we're actually doing quite fine with most of the wolves already on this thread. Not bad in a crazy game like this.

And just reminding everyone - after reading once again a dozen of theories one more odd than the other - let's not forget that anyone can claim basically anything in this game were nothing is revealed, and anyone can come up with any kind of crazy explanation of anything that happens - or even might happen. We have so many special roles flying this or that way right now that they'd be enough for ten games.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

According to Nerwen-

Wolves: Mac, Lottie

Innocent: Firefoot, Phantom, Eomer, Shasta, Lommy

Possible Wolves: Form, McCaber, Morm, Nilp, Mith, Kath

Doesn't List: Sally, Boro

But that's only seven dreams instead of eight. Which dream hasn't she mentioned yet? (Or did I miss it?)

I would assume it's Boro.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But that's only seven dreams instead of eight. Which dream hasn't she mentioned yet? (Or did I miss it?)

Could be Boro - she said she'd been thinking he was the special role for a couple of days. Or could be what Lottie suggested.

Originally Posted by Rikae

At this point the real seer would be able to discredit them...

Unless they were convinced the real seer is dead. Still, lover and special role impersonation would be risky as the special seems to be an assassin and the lover could come back.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anyway, seems the Living have nicely managed to dismantle any chances for us to communicate something to them, riight? Because no one has posted any nice list like Firefoot did yesterDay, and if they come up with the whole stuff really late (and under some voting fray we are not sure that we want to endorse), it's really difficult...

Yup... I'm trying to think of a way that's not cheating to let them know when we're going to bed and won't be there to see the communication plans, but unless somebody else can think of something, all I have is for the entire Dead thread to go quiet after Greenie, Legate and I leave (with or without voting) and that's not conducive (plus the wolves could mess it up - although the village would probably notice it's just Mac and Lottie posting ).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yup... I'm trying to think of a way that's not cheating to let them know when we're going to bed and won't be there to see the communication plans, but unless somebody else can think of something, all I have is for the entire Dead thread to go quiet after Greenie, Legate and I leave (with or without voting) and that's not conducive (plus the wolves could mess it up - although the village would probably notice it's just Mac and Lottie posting ).

Phantom! Where are your elaborate schemes when we need them, huh? Now's a chance for the captain of Gondor to show his quality... eh... nevermind that.

[Rikae]

We need to empower somebody, though.

Without a system, we can let them know that we trust Boro/Nerwen, at least (so they can assume that Mac and Lottie have outed themselves here).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

We need to empower somebody, though.

Without a system, we can let them know that we trust Boro/Nerwen, at least (so they can assume that Mac and Lottie have outed themselves here).

Not Boro if have another choice. Why would we signal the village he's alright when he so totally isn't?

I mean no, I don't know him to be a wolf, but he's one of the fishiest in the thread right now so let's not lend him any more credibility if we can avoid it?

[Nogrod]

Okay. I think Boro is overdoing it. (Maybe because he's the last of his pack left?)

Originally Posted by Boro

If the wolves are thinking about trying to put doubt to my claims, and get the village to lynch me as a wolf, that theory wouldn't hold, because there is no other explanation for Mac's death other than I assassinated him NIGHT 3 (and I left clues to my activities/thoughts, which I will get to in a moment).

If they want to try to kill me in the night (Ranger don't ever consider protecting me), I may have a another trick, or I may not, that I'm taking to the grave with me. Their choice.

So he should not be lynched and he should not be NightKilled? Nice.

Also he tells us about all the hints he has been making but doesn''t mention the FBI-thing tp was so happy to champion as the hint he picked of him being the seer earlier on. Like I said earlier, in this game one doesn't trust anyone, let alone one would trust tp.

Boro's explanations of his kills also sound a bit ad hoc to me. I mean he is kind of doing a systematic thing but then again he doesn't stick to it and all that jazz.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Unless they were convinced the real seer is dead. Still, lover and special role impersonation would be risky as the special seems to be an assassin and the lover could come back.

They might think that, but we know better, and at this point I can't imagine the real seer would allow it to continue.

[Rikae]

Simplest, least ambiguous way is to empower Boro or Nerwen. Boro, I'd say.
The living wolves most likely think Nerwen is the seer, but we don't need to be all like "hey! We ghosts think so too!"

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Simplest, least ambiguous way is to empower Boro or Nerwen. Boro, I'd say.
The living wolves most likely think Nerwen is the seer, but we don't need to be all like "hey! We ghosts think so too!"

Agreed about that. Still, it would really be much much better if we could pass on some other info. Sadly I can't think of a way to do it, not even by using Firefoot's list from yesterDay, since if I am not mistaken, I do not appear on it...