4 Of the coming of the Elves

[Findegil]

Elulindo seems to be still valid, but I see no role he would play in any narative. Therefore I think if included at all it will only be in genelogical tables if we provide these.

I don't remember Gostir at all in the moment. Please provide us with a source information about him.

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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Findegil

Elulindo seems to be still valid, but I see no role he would play in any narative. Therefore I think if included at all it will only be in genelogical tables if we provide these.

In Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië when it is mentioned that Finarfin was a friend with the sons of Olwë, I included Elulindo too.

I don't remember Gostir at all in the moment. Please provide us with a source information about him.

From The Lost Road and Other Writings: Etymologies -

GOS-, GOTH- dread. Q osse terror, as name Osse. Cf. Mandos (see mbad). N has Oeros for Osse (*Goss). Cf. Taur-os [táwar], N gost dread, terror; gosta- fear exceedingly; cf. Gothrog = Dread Demon [ruk]; Gothmog [mbaw], Gostir ^dread glance’, dragon-name [thë].

Also:

THE- look (see or seem). N thir (*thérë) look, face, expression, countenance; cf. Cranthir Ruddy-face [karán], Gostir older Gorsthir ‘dread-glance’, dragon-name [gos]. N thio to seem, thia it appears.

[Findegil]

Looking deeper into the case of Elulindo, I have some doubts. When the charachter recieved the Name, he was the son of Elwë or Elu in the speak of his own people. Then Olwë, the brother Elu took ofer the role of the 'Lord of the Ships'. We knew that Olwë had many sons. but we can by no means be sure that on of them was still suposed to be named Elulindo.

About Gostir: I can see why you would like to have him mentioned, but I see not were we could include him without cerating a fact that is not based on any hint from JRR Tolkien. If you can think on a way to introduce him under that premission, I will gladly discuss it with you.

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Findegil

[Findegil]

I promissed to give some comments on my changes and here is the first part of this:
First an unusual general change {Morgoth}[Melkor]: I suppose we start calling him Morgoth after Feanor named him thus.

CE-EX-01: The sleep of Yavanna entered the history only in AAm therefore we need this addition.
CE-SL-01: In the later scripts the Balrog were not made by Melkor.
CE-EX-02: Again a long insert from AAm, but what is said there is otherwise not found.
CE-EX-03: The reason from council should be given.
CE-EX-04: Here I have inserted the Legend of the Awaking of the Quendi. As this is a relatively late text I see good reason to insert it.
CE-SL-02, -03, -04 and -05: Our version is a flat earth story, there fore we have to change all passages that refers to the day cycle.
CE-SL-06, -07: This editorial additions serves the same reason: It brings this to reference to the sun and the daytime in line with a flat earth version.
CE-EX-05: A long addition from AAm where the more detailed description is given.
CE-EX-06: Following the idea of gondowe, I added part of the Orc-texts from MT here, and therefore this sentence has to go.
CE-EX-07: I start with the how Melkor did it.
CE-EX-08: The transition to the etymological stuff might be a bit hard. I would appreciate if some one comes up with some thing smother.
CE-EX-09: We also might consider too take more then only the introduction.
CE-EX-10: This half sentence is moved to a later position.
CE-EX-11: If we want transport the full picture, this info from the Munby letter has to included.
CE-EX-12: I just wanted to indicate the origin of the text we go on with.
CE-EX-13, -14: Since what follows in my draft is exactly this ‘consideration of the ultimate origin’ I changed this sentence accordingly.
CE-EX-15: This sentence was moved.
CE-SL-08: Again we stick to our flat earth version and to the time structure in which Men arrive with the first rising of the sun.
CE-EX-16: This is a change made by JRR Tolkien himself.
CE-EX-17: I included this additional info about the Maia-Orks because I found it important. But I removed the comparison to Sauron. We have to discuss if we want to keep the poltergeist.
CE-EX-18: This reference to the third age must go.
CE-EX-19: In the end this is more a paragraph taken out.
CE-EX-20: This back reference is to the paragraph taken out.
CE-SL-09: Again Men are not available until much later.
CE-EX-21: This wild mixture is to e included, I think.
CE-EX-22: Again a reference to Morgoth to be taken out.
CE-EX-23: A last summary of the Ork creation.

I will follow with further comments as fast as I can handle.

Respectfuly
Findegil