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[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

Granted, from what I've read this far Legate appears to have been fairly instrumental in the Inzil lynch yesterday, and I know several people seem to have perfectly good reasons to think him innocent at this juncture. I just wanted to get my first impression down. I'll need to do some more reading.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

Oh, but he does it all the time! Ever heard the phrase "Legate 180"?

That said, I do have my reservations about trusting him. As I mentioned earlier, the only other viable lynch candidate to have emerged by the time he voted was himself (I'm not counting Eomer since he was a random vote). To be sure, a wolf Legate could have cooked up a case against Eomer just off the cuff, but that would have raised quite a few eyebrows. I'm not saying this means Legate is a wolf, only that I don't think we should write him off as innocent just yet. Even though he clearly indicates that we should -

Originally Posted by Legate

Also, given that the village is small, I think those who voted for Zil are less likely to be his packmates.

Inzil was voted for by a grand total of three people, one of whom was the now-dead ordo, and another was Legate himself - which makes me curious about his choice of words, "those who voted for Zil". Is that a roundabout way of saying "I'm an unlikely wolf, wink wink", or is he saying I'm an unlikely wolf? If so, why the plural? I mean, I'm not sure why an innocent Legate would call himself "less likely to be Inzil's packmate".

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Legate is also effectively putting himself in the limelight with that third vote for Zil. I'm not sure about the vote's merits, but at least it's consistent with his previous inclination to limit the lynch-candidates; plus, somewhat risky stuff for a wolf.

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay. Mind, today won't see the same silence; I'll post more once I'm home from work and have checked everyone out.

Also, the wolves are in trouble for slaughtering my minx. Well done. *rimshot* Seriously though, rude and uncalled for. There was seemingly no reason for her to be the target. Besides, I was looking forward to arguing with her.

Back again when I can.

Okay, this post a) is not very good clarification - I am seconding Rikae and Greenie here - you were around and did not want to vote, so why didn't you say so, for example? But b) especially its second part sounds a bit Wolfy to me. This kind of "I am being nice, oh poor Agan, she was killed." Together with the first part it would then be an awful Wolf-alibism. Watching sally.

Originally Posted by Rikae

The thing about this is, I don't see it myself. I mean, in retrospect it was exactly what he was doing, but here this strikes me as the sort of nit another wolf would pick. It looks like that's what he's doing, to her, because she knows that's what he's doing. Since it's clearly an early vote on flimsy reasoning, she could easily have felt it was only a small risk.

I agree with Rikae's perception of this, even though I am not sure if I agree with the conclusion; it does not necessarily seem to me like a Wolf-thing to do. But it's a thing to note, sure.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

How many games have you played with me again? And this surprises you?

EDIT: x-ed with Greenie

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Legate

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I don't normally put much stock in alleged wolf-slips, but that does look odd.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Legate

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I'm just guessing here, but I read that as "voting as the third in a bandwagon is risky for a wolf", a valid point given how much scrutiny bandwagoners are subjected to if the victim turns out innocent. I hadn't thought of that comment after Inzil turned out to be a wolf though, and your reading of it sounds like a possibility, too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Leave me alone, it's hard to argue with a feeling.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't normally put much stock in alleged wolf-slips, but that does look odd.

Call me paranoid but you appear to be rather subtly/not-so-subtly going after me today, Rikae. Easy target?

[A Little Green]

Not going to vote for:

Shasta - I want to see more of him first.
Kath - Same thing.
Rikae & Nerwen - Both of these ladies creep me out, but I have practically no read on either and won't waste my vote on a shot in the dark. Would like to look at both more closely if/when I have time.

Which leaves:

Eomer - Also creeps me out. Half the time, he acts like a textbook example of a werewolf (like the nice and clean vote for Kath yesterDay), the other half like a level-headed, poking-at-everyone innocent Eomer.
Lommy - Her vote placement yesterDay could be read as a Lommywolf trying to direct the lynch away from Inzil (knowing that Legate is a very easy Day 1 lynch). Also her repeated emphasis on how she doesn't really suspect Legate seems overdone. Otherwise, hard to say.
Sally - I'm wavering between uninterested ordo and deliberately unhelpful wolf.
Legate - I seem to have spent most of the Day talking about him. I still think his and Inzil's mutual "suspicion" and voting for each other looks like possible wolf-on-wolf, probably not one they had planned but more likely something that they considered the best option under the circumstances. Not sure about it though.


EDIT: x-ed with Leggie's list!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Legate

the no-vote would be just a direct outcome of a Wolf not wishing to meddle into Zil-lynch (waiting until last possible moment if she can swing vote, which then didn't happen? Or somesuch?)

Hm. Hadn't thought of that, but it's a possibility.

[A Little Green]

Wavering between Sally and Legate at the moment. Probably leaving Lommy and Eomer alone for toDay since I haven't read them as carefully as the other two.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Sally

I didn't feel comfy voting for either candidate yesterDay - or rather, I didn't feel comfy choosing between them, finding both of them to be acting rather unusual but not suspecting either enough at the time to vote for one over the other. At least I didn't stick my nose in and muck up Dun's induction into the noble order of the Fenris, so I feel no shame about not voting yesterDay.

Well, that was also a nice way to wash your hands of the mess. I wonder if a wolf would still have cast a throwaway vote though. Depends on the wolf, I guess.

Originally Posted by Rikae

What did you mean by that, Lommy?

Let this service as an answer to Nerwen too who thought my suspicion of Legate came out of the blue. It didn't, even though it was very vague. I meant by this quote that I thought that (early Day1) Legate sounded like a parody of himself which made me think if he's intentionally trying to maintain his innocent playing style (while being a wolf obviously) and overdoing it. Well, still I thought is just as viable that he just happens to sound like himself a lot. And as there hadn't been much, that was the best lead I had (also given his later slightly weird argumentation about not spreading the vote).

If you want to know, my next best ideas were seriously to vote Inzil because he's always a wolf for some reason or to vote Nerwen because she never votes on Day1 (and as much as I adore her it irks me) and that might tell you how much I was shooting in the dark. Then again, I would've been right about both...

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A list:

Eomer of the Rohirrim - I keep flip-flopping on him. On the other hand he seems a tad too confident and gives a shady vibe with his oddly phrased comments, and is a little defensive of late. Then again, he is not really that different from how he tends to play as an innocent. Undecided.

A Little Green - also undecided. Seems like her sharp self, but when doesn't she? Also, I don't really hold the Inzil vote too much in her favour - I think it would have been fairly likely for a wolf to cast an early wolf-on-wolf vote and hope no one jumps on the bandwagon, and to think that if there's a bandwagon, at least she's going to look fairly innocent herself. Especially if she's suspected the packmate aloud before and others not so much. That's exactly how I got one of my packmates lynched in a game with a similar un-European friendly deadline a couple of years ago and consequently I got a free pass for Days. (Yes this translates to "I did it once so it would be a smart move". But yeah, obviously this is not an argument for Greenie's guilt either.)

satanisaloser2005 - not so impressed. I agree her actions late yesterDay are noncommittal, and toDay she's very apologetic, while at the same time laying low. That's pretty fishy in my book.

Legate of Amon Lanc - I still think his arguments make 5-10% sense on average but I'm starting to think he's innocent. I mean, usually wolf-Legate is more cool and calculating than ordo-Legate, and that's about the only difference there is if there is any. The village focus on him has a little misguided if not fabricated vibe. Also I think his nailing Inzil's coffin speaks in his favour, even though it's not impossible he'd have done it as a wolf.

Kath - casting a random vote (okay, I know none of us early voters had very sensible arguments so maybe I'm a little hypocritical) and not being around otherwise makes me definitely want to see more of her. I'm afraid if she's a wolf she'll just sail past us.

Shasta - possibly the weirdest after Sally, wouldn't have probably caught my attention if not the totally touchy last post. Having a bad day or a bad Day? Overreacting in any case.

Rikae - I don't know. I think she muddled up my ability to read her pretty bad in the previous game where she made a huge fuss about how her not being defensive is not a mark of her innocence - while being non-defensive and innocent. She seems helpful, but I kind of agree with Eomer that she was a bit too happy to jump on his supposed "slip".

Nerwen - in a typical Nerwen fashion misses Day1 and makes up by providing helpful analyses on Day2. Like seriously what can I say? No read, but definitely not on the top of my suspicion list.


edit: xed with Greenie's spam

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I just noticed this only when somebody quoted it: Eomer, could you actually clarify what you meant by this? Like by "somewhat risky stuff for a wolf"? How was it risky? (Just crossed my mind that this sounds a bit like a Wolf-slip. "It would be a risky stuff for a Wolf to do, because Inzil is a Wolf." Without realizing that you are not supposed to know that he is one...) So how did you mean this?

I'm not quite sure I follow you here.

Risky stuff as in: it would be a risky thing for a packmate of Zil to do? Well, yeah, I suppose a Legate-wolf vote for Zil-wolf would be pretty risky for the wolves - high chance of lynching a wolf.

No, I meant it so far as Zil turned out to be innocent, or if neither of you had gotten lynched at all. In either of these outcomes, your vote becomes extremely interesting and certain to be pored over by the village the next day. That's what I was saying. There were other things Legate-wolf could have done on Day One to not attract so much attention.

Of course, we ended up getting lucky with the lynch; and you're under far less scutiny today than you could have been.

I hope I explain my meaning a bit clearer?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

No, I meant it so far as Zil turned out to be innocent, or if neither of you had gotten lynched at all. In either of these outcomes, your vote becomes extremely interesting and certain to be pored over by the village the next day. That's what I was saying. There were other things Legate-wolf could have done on Day One to not attract so much attention.

Fair enough, thanks for the reply.

A mandatory list following, since I should vote soon and go to sleep.

Eomer of the Rohirrim - still not very certain about him (of course the response he provided makes sense, but a Wolf would say the same; it's more his reaction as it is that I hoped to get something out of, sadly it's hard to judge)
A Little Green - leaning innocent, even though she might be playing it awfully (complete with the nice appearance of la-di-da "we bagged a Wolf" happy beginning of the Day and so on), but I wouldn't say suspicious meriting a vote yet
Thinlómien- a bit worried still. I hope she is going to post something still toDay in order for me to be able to judge her better
satanisaloser2005 - okay, that behavior is really weird, if you ask me; though skipping a vote while being around and not explaining it at the same time isn't really a sign of Wolvery, it's really just weird. What could amount to Wolvery would be the tone of some of the stuff in her previous post, and thus the no-vote would be just a direct outcome of a Wolf not wishing to meddle into Zil-lynch (waiting until last possible moment if she can swing vote, which then didn't happen? Or somesuch?). But I can also imagine her as a basic innocent.
Kath - I wonder where she disappeared to
Shasta - so far his contributions are not very contributive and not very telling either, would much prefer to see more, sadly I am afraid that might happen only in late American time
Rikae - looks fairly sensible and all; might be plotting something of course, but like Greenie, not really much of a reason for me to give her a vote now
Nerwen - nothing suspicious there, looks like her fairly normal self. There were moments in her analysis where I thought she might be a bit suggestive, but that was still fairly general. Probably also no reason to give her a vote.