"Do You Hate Women?"

[Marwhini]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, if you mean the Great Devil Debate, it started at #49 and has now seemingly come full circle. As for the original original thread topic, I fear it has passed into the West and left us.

(Seriously, is there anything left to say about Tauriel now? So much discussion of such a pointless character...)

In true Tolkien fashion, Tauriel is a Tragic character.

It is a tragedy that she was included simply for the sake of pandering to "diversity," where so many other possibilities existed for Female Characters that were not pandering.

But my personal preference would for the Movie to have been shot without altering Tolkien's canon.

They had PLENTY to make a Trilogy out of The Hobbit without including anything from the associated materials for the period. You reasonably could have made six movies out of The Hobbit, and nine out of The Lord of the Rings.

And as for "inserting" female Characters....

If they were going to include the Assault upon Dol Guldur... Is not Galadriel enough?

I just wish that someone were able to make a movie of it that was just the book.... As written.... Songs and all. No additional characters. No diverting to Dol Guldur.

Those scenes could easily have been included as additional productions in their own right if we are going to go there.

MB

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Marwhini

They had PLENTY to make a Trilogy out of The Hobbit without including anything from the associated materials for the period. You reasonably could have made six movies out of The Hobbit

Beg to differ- I don't think they should ever have been trying to make it into a trilogy in the first place.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Beg to differ- I don't think they should ever have been trying to make it into a trilogy in the first place.

Agreed. Two films tops. One film, even with a three hour length, may not have encompassed the whole tale appropriately.

[Marwhini]

The Hobbit has 19 chapters.

At 20 minutes, average, a chapter that is 380 minutes.

Or 6.33 hours.

MB

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Marwhini

The Hobbit has 19 chapters.

At 20 minutes, average, a chapter that is 380 minutes.

Or 6.33 hours.

MB

They made three movies already. It was unnecessarily long and full of extraneous flummery. A concise two-film set would've been more than adequate to detail all the important sequences from a relatively short book.

[Marwhini]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

They made three movies already. It was unnecessarily long and full of extraneous flummery. A concise two-film set would've been more than adequate to detail all the important sequences from a relatively short book.

The way they produced it... Yes, it was full of all manner of extraneous junk that needn't have been in it.

But as I pointed out, 20 minutes (on Average) a chapter is trimming things pretty much to the bone as it is, to include the entire book.

Some chapters would need considerably more than 20 minutes (An unexpected Party and the Mirkwood chapters, to say nothing of the BoFA). While some might need only 10 to 15 minutes.

But why must anything be cut from the story? If we are going to make Tolkien's works as Films, or as a Mini-Series on Cable, then why must anything be left out of the Novel Proper (I am not talking about adding extraneous material from the Appendices, nor from Unfinished Tales, nor NoM-e. But solely the content of The Hobbit)?

There are no reasons, in terms of Production necessities, that demand that material be cut out of the Novel other than simply to reduce the total running time of the production.

MB

[Faramir Jones]

I agree completely with Zigûr that some of us (including myself) went off-topic with this thread. It started out with Evangeline Lilly, and an interview in which she showed she didn't have a clue about Tolkien, his attitudes towards women, and his portrayal of female characters in his works.

I like the new topics that have emerged, and with others have participated in them. But I suggest we consider ending this thread, and continuing these new topics on new threads.