Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:21 PM

I think I have problem following most everyone's track...

*

I have no chance of doing this toDay, but will try to do it toMorrow if I'm still around - if I'm not, I suggest someone does it - or some people do it collectively (and if someone already has this kind of a list, please share it).

So looking back to everyone alive to see whom they have actually voiced suspicion over. I mean voiced a suspicion, not anything like "X is always suspicious" or first Day "you must be a wolf" -banter. But like actually declaring one suspects some another person X.

I'll bet that most evil can be found from among those who have not voiced open suspicions on anyone or have made them of only one or few people - possibly such whom others have voiced suspicions already. Voicing open suspicions is always dangerous and suspecting many draws you near the gallows as people, quite naturally, feel bad about it and, if innocent, start to see evil in the suspecter (or if evil can use it as a reason to vote back - or at least suspect that person back).

Also seeing all the "real suspicions" might help to build a larger picture of relations, which there sure are already now. Just looking at the voting patterns is not that productive, especially as we don't know things like we normally would do after lynchings.

So that's a suggestion for toMorrow.

Now thinking of voting...

EDIT: The beginning is an answer to this by Legate: "Problem is, it's really difficult to keep track of people when they are not posting much."
EDIT2: I'll promise to stop editing...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-17-2017, 05:27 PM

2 votes for Nog and 1 for Legate.

So who's around? And, as is tradition, anyone for no-lynch?

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:29 PM

I seem to be, even if I though trying to go to bed early. But yes, half an hour only so might actually sit it to the end.

Few thoughts to follow.

Brinniel · 07-17-2017, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Actually the biggest submarine is poor sick Shasta...(16 posts) followed by Sally and Brinn (22 each). Eomer is fourth lowest living poster with 32.

I don't know, I would argue that Sally is the biggest submarine. While Shasta may have less posts, I feel like his at least have more content than hers.

EDIT: X-post...and coincidentally Sally has posted some more content.

Kuruharan · 07-17-2017, 06:00 PM

The Deadline has come.

Please stop posting.

Narration to follow.

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:39 PM

If we think the Dead communicated to us then Zil was innocent. Of the Zil band-wagon there are three alive toDay: Nerwen, Boro and Eönwe.

YesterDay two of these, Nerwen and Eönwe, voted for an innocent person trying seriously to get the ball rolling - and they have continued with the same target toDay. You naturally do not know this target's innocence, but I do.

If I was the EW, I would have chosen people like Brinn or Lalaith if looking for easy-going trustworthy wolves, or then maybe Nerwen for more effect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when have you seen one of these to be lynched early in the game? A submarine is oftentimes a safe bet as well as they tend to be seldom lynched (there's always a "better" candidate).

I see one name popping out from all the three situations...

satansaloser2005 · 07-17-2017, 05:34 PM

This has probably already been said, but I feel like finding out Lottie's role ASAP will give us some good ideas about others. For instance, if she is a wolf, Nog probably needs to shave, etc.

Nerwen: Pinging my radar as someone to watch, but not yet suspicious of her.
Boro: Not likely a wolf, but perhaps an evil wizard who knew he couldn't die via lynch? Watch, now this is how I die.

Shasta: My poor sick little wolf boy. *nuzzles* Poor darling. Don't hurt him! (To clarify, this is what I call him quite often. I feel his quietness is not suspect, but it also admittedly doesn't give us a lot to go on.)
Sally: A good little cupcake.
Eomer: He of the no-lynch. Frustrating (

), but I still believe him to be good.
Lalaith: No read whatsoever. Lal, what witchcraft is this? I can never read you!
Legate: Reasonable enough, but he seems oddly....chill? This of course isn't a bad thing, but his tone reads like a past Legate wolf. In my top few candidates, but not my priority at the moment.
Steve: My top choice for lynch toDay based on yesterDay, but see below.
Nogrod: Uhhhhh, his vote yesterDay looks highly suspect coupled with my suspicion of Lottie. I wouldn't be averse to lynching him toDay out of caution, though I'd like to know Lottie's alignment first, as something doesn't sit right.
Brinniel: Quiet like myself. I have a niggle I need to dig into further before I let my imagination get the best of me, so I'll check it out later and post it tomorrow either here or on the Dead Thread. It may be nothing, but I'll find out.

x'd since Lal's ranking of the submarines

Shastanis Althreduin · 07-17-2017, 05:37 PM

++Legate I still feel that he's evil. I know I haven't given any real argument towards that being the case, and I apologize for being so very lackluster.

Brinniel · 07-17-2017, 05:46 PM

My top suspects for lynching are Legate and Eonwe. Legate for reasons I stated earlier toDay and my opinion of Eonwe has not changed since yesterDay.

Nogrod is another I'm still considering, but I'm feeling slightly hesitant about him.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-17-2017, 05:40 PM

All right

Wizards: Nerwen & Brinniel

Wolves/Gifteds: (Loslote), Boro, Lalaith, Shasta, Sally, Legate

Poor little ordos: Eonwe, Nogrod, and me.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-17-2017, 05:44 PM

I'm gonna guess both Nogrod and Legate are around and willing to lynch Boro?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-17-2017, 05:47 PM

Of course, we're all in the same group (with Lalaith) if the Dead want to indicate that Loslote was predator - does that matter?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-17-2017, 05:53 PM

I am obviously not opposed to lynching Boro.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Of course, we're all in the same group (with Lalaith) if the Dead want to indicate that Loslote was predator - does that matter?

Well if so, vote-wise it doesn't matter, and then the narration will tell who of us was empowered in such case, but it does not really make a difference in terms of votes.

EDIT: x-ed with Nog

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-17-2017, 05:54 PM

++boro

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:47 PM

I kind of doubted Boro would be a wolf, but then someone made a fair point: after seeing that he survived the D1-stuff the EW realised he'd sail through and turned him.

Like said, I'm not sure it is a great reason to vote for someone, but it is reason, especially if one thinks the person acts fishy or oddly anyway.

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:50 PM

I'm all for lynching Eönwe, not that much for Legate - I have doubts on everyone, naturally, but nothing special towards him (his latest posts have seem okay to me).

satansaloser2005 · 07-17-2017, 05:53 PM

++Steve

I'm more comfortable with him than Nog or Legate at this point, and I think this could be a safe shot at a redirection of the lynch. I certainly feel better about this than throwing behind one of the other current trains.

x'd with Legate

satansaloser2005 · 07-17-2017, 05:54 PM

Of course, if this ends up as a huge tie, I'll be very cross with myself.

x'd with Nog and Eomer

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:53 PM

Stupid or not, I'll vote in time and open a third choice.

++ Boro

Eönwe -> Nogrod
Nerwen -> Nogrod 2
Boro -> Legate
Shasta -> Legate 2
Sally -> Eönwe
Nogrod -> Boro

EDIT: X'd with Sally... hmm...

Nogrod · 07-17-2017, 05:55 PM

Now this got interesting then...

Lalaith · 07-17-2017, 05:55 PM

Ok, I don't know what to do.
Nogs was ringing alarm bells all over the place for me yesterDay at DL and i was, at the time, thinking "oh my goodness what is this, I am so going to push for a lynch if I survive the night". (Well I thought something along those lines but I've cleaned it up as we can't cuss on the Downs) And what is worrying me is that he keeps explaining why he missed the deadline but hasn't explained why he needed to wait *until* the deadline

I would still be up for voting to lynch Boro. Particularly as he said he wasn't going to be weird anymore and then his vote for Legate was really weird.

Eomer I voted for on Day 2 but then other people started worrying me more: he is being very insouciant and genial at the moment and that's nice, but I wonder if I was wrong to take my eye off him. Nobody else seems to suspect him though.

And then there's Eonwe. He's like one of those pictures where you don't know if you see a vase or two faces...one minute I look and see innocence, the next I totally see why Brinn was gunning for him.

I do not think Legate is guilty and won't vote for him. I am totally at sea about Nogs. I fear I will regret whatever I do.

Lalaith · 07-17-2017, 05:56 PM

++ Boro

satansaloser2005 · 07-17-2017, 05:57 PM

My sweet Boro! What have you done?

Well, if I'm right and the lynch doesn't go through, at least we'll know.

07-17-2017, 05:21 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I think I have problem following most everyone's track... * I have no chance of doing this toDay, but will try to do it toMorrow if I'm still around - if I'm not, I suggest someone does it - or some people do it collectively (and if someone already has this kind of a list, please share it). So looking back to everyone alive to see whom they have actually voiced suspicion over. I mean voiced a suspicion, not anything like "X is always suspicious" or first Day "you must be a wolf" -banter. But like actually declaring one suspects some another person X. I'll bet that most evil can be found from among those who have not voiced open suspicions on anyone or have made them of only one or few people - possibly such whom others have voiced suspicions already. Voicing open suspicions is always dangerous and suspecting many draws you near the gallows as people, quite naturally, feel bad about it and, if innocent, start to see evil in the suspecter (or if evil can use it as a reason to vote back - or at least suspect that person back). Also seeing all the "real suspicions" might help to build a larger picture of relations, which there sure are already now. Just looking at the voting patterns is not that productive, especially as we don't know things like we normally would do after lynchings. So that's a suggestion for toMorrow. Now thinking of voting... EDIT: The beginning is an answer to this by Legate: "Problem is, it's really difficult to keep track of people when they are not posting much." EDIT2: I'll promise to stop editing... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-17-2017, 05:27 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	2 votes for Nog and 1 for Legate. So who's around? And, as is tradition, anyone for no-lynch? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-17-2017, 05:29 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I seem to be, even if I though trying to go to bed early. But yes, half an hour only so might actually sit it to the end. Few thoughts to follow. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-17-2017, 06:00 PM	#5
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Deadline The Deadline has come. Please stop posting. Narration to follow. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-17-2017, 05:39 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	If we think the Dead communicated to us then Zil was innocent. Of the Zil band-wagon there are three alive toDay: Nerwen, Boro and Eönwe. YesterDay two of these, Nerwen and Eönwe, voted for an innocent person trying seriously to get the ball rolling - and they have continued with the same target toDay. You naturally do not know this target's innocence, but I do. If I was the EW, I would have chosen people like Brinn or Lalaith if looking for easy-going trustworthy wolves, or then maybe Nerwen for more effect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when have you seen one of these to be lynched early in the game? A submarine is oftentimes a safe bet as well as they tend to be seldom lynched (there's always a "better" candidate). I see one name popping out from all the three situations... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-17-2017, 05:34 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	This has probably already been said, but I feel like finding out Lottie's role ASAP will give us some good ideas about others. For instance, if she is a wolf, Nog probably needs to shave, etc. Nerwen: Pinging my radar as someone to watch, but not yet suspicious of her. Boro: Not likely a wolf, but perhaps an evil wizard who knew he couldn't die via lynch? Watch, now this is how I die. Shasta: My poor sick little wolf boy. nuzzles Poor darling. Don't hurt him! (To clarify, this is what I call him quite often. I feel his quietness is not suspect, but it also admittedly doesn't give us a lot to go on.) Sally: A good little cupcake. Eomer: He of the no-lynch. Frustrating (), but I still believe him to be good. Lalaith: No read whatsoever. Lal, what witchcraft is this? I can never read you! Legate: Reasonable enough, but he seems oddly....chill? This of course isn't a bad thing, but his tone reads like a past Legate wolf. In my top few candidates, but not my priority at the moment. Steve: My top choice for lynch toDay based on yesterDay, but see below. Nogrod: Uhhhhh, his vote yesterDay looks highly suspect coupled with my suspicion of Lottie. I wouldn't be averse to lynching him toDay out of caution, though I'd like to know Lottie's alignment first, as something doesn't sit right. Brinniel: Quiet like myself. I have a niggle I need to dig into further before I let my imagination get the best of me, so I'll check it out later and post it tomorrow either here or on the Dead Thread. It may be nothing, but I'll find out. x'd since Lal's ranking of the submarines __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-17-2017, 05:37 PM	#8
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	++Legate I still feel that he's evil. I know I haven't given any real argument towards that being the case, and I apologize for being so very lackluster. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

07-17-2017, 05:46 PM	#9
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	My top suspects for lynching are Legate and Eonwe. Legate for reasons I stated earlier toDay and my opinion of Eonwe has not changed since yesterDay. Nogrod is another I'm still considering, but I'm feeling slightly hesitant about him. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

07-17-2017, 05:40 PM	#10
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	All right Wizards: Nerwen & Brinniel Wolves/Gifteds: (Loslote), Boro, Lalaith, Shasta, Sally, Legate Poor little ordos: Eonwe, Nogrod, and me. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-17-2017, 05:44 PM	#11
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I'm gonna guess both Nogrod and Legate are around and willing to lynch Boro? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-17-2017, 05:47 PM	#12
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Of course, we're all in the same group (with Lalaith) if the Dead want to indicate that Loslote was predator - does that matter? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-17-2017, 05:54 PM	#14
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	++boro __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-17-2017, 05:50 PM	#16
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm all for lynching Eönwe, not that much for Legate - I have doubts on everyone, naturally, but nothing special towards him (his latest posts have seem okay to me). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-17-2017, 05:53 PM	#17
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	++Steve I'm more comfortable with him than Nog or Legate at this point, and I think this could be a safe shot at a redirection of the lynch. I certainly feel better about this than throwing behind one of the other current trains. x'd with Legate __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-17-2017, 05:55 PM	#20
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Now this got interesting then... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-17-2017, 05:55 PM	#21
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok, I don't know what to do. Nogs was ringing alarm bells all over the place for me yesterDay at DL and i was, at the time, thinking "oh my goodness what is this, I am so going to push for a lynch if I survive the night". (Well I thought something along those lines but I've cleaned it up as we can't cuss on the Downs) And what is worrying me is that he keeps explaining why he missed the deadline but hasn't explained why he needed to wait until the deadline I would still be up for voting to lynch Boro. Particularly as he said he wasn't going to be weird anymore and then his vote for Legate was really weird. Eomer I voted for on Day 2 but then other people started worrying me more: he is being very insouciant and genial at the moment and that's nice, but I wonder if I was wrong to take my eye off him. Nobody else seems to suspect him though. And then there's Eonwe. He's like one of those pictures where you don't know if you see a vase or two faces...one minute I look and see innocence, the next I totally see why Brinn was gunning for him. I do not think Legate is guilty and won't vote for him. I am totally at sea about Nogs. I fear I will regret whatever I do. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-17-2017, 05:56 PM	#22
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	++ Boro __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-17-2017, 05:57 PM	#23
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	My sweet Boro! What have you done? Well, if I'm right and the lynch doesn't go through, at least we'll know. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

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