Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Dead Thread

[Boromir88]

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.

Also, I'm going to be very occupied from about Noon through the rest of the night tomorrow. So, I may not vote to empower anyone.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.

They really don't seem to be doing anything with what we're providing, other than giving perfunctory notice.

If we do decide to let the 'system' go hang, and empower whom we like, we just need to be sure we're all on the same page on whom the honor shall rest.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

They must have thought he was a gifted/ the GW. It certainly isn't a no-trace kill, and it doesn't make sense as a frame.

...And now you know why I kept getting cold feet about voting him, even though he was really acting awfully suspicious. I've seen Nog get obsessed like that as an innocent (and as a wolf).

And now we know? So you knew he was innocent all along?

Nerwen is evil. I am so beyond convinced.

[Nogrod]

Well, it took a Day or two longer than I thought... but nice to be here.

Although a bit disappointing now as the balance seems to hanging from a very thin line and they managed to take one innocent from the tally - whatever the reason for it was. I do agree it was an interesting pick by the evil. I was quite sure I'd be very close to the chopping block toDay.

Oh, and sorry to diasppoint you, but I'm neither any visitor or any such speacial one - unless one can be that without knowing it himself (I haven't actually checked those parts of the rules that closely).

But anyway, what's up? Any other solid information but that Zil, Lottie and Boro are innocents (I just checked the thread only from the late last Night onwards)?

My first thoughts right now? Nerwen and Eönwe do seem to team up and I'd be surprised if they're both on the good side - and not be surprised if they were both evil (it could also be one just lured the other to trust her/him and only one is evil).

But in a way people like Brinn and Lalaith - and maybe Eomer - are probably the most scary ones. They are somehow outside all major suspicions and seem to play very reasonably giving a nice feel of themselves (not that much Eomer, but he's above the discussions on suspicion as well). I just hope one of them is actually the GW.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I wonder if the living will even bother trying to ask us to relay my innocence? Fat lot of good it's done them to know Inzil's and Lottie's.

I think it's getting down to a point though where the empowerment vote might be more important than merely relaying info. So, don't empower someone you're not comfortable with, or not comfortable about their vote just to try to notify them about my innocence.

Heh. In the end I had to make a run for my life in the Living Thread for saying more or less just this...

[Mithalwen]

You can be a visitor without knowing it . We went through that when they started thinking I was. Kuru explains. You will see if you read back a couple of pages. Collectively we are leas voluble than Morsul on his own.

[Thinlómien]

I don't like the way Lalaith uses us to cast suspicion on Legate and Eönwë. Makes me very wary.

Anyone else think this would be a good day for the GW and her team to reveal? All that the baddies (probably) need for a victory is a plausible enough bandwagon against an innocent and maybe an innocent to join it but if the votes spread out at all they don't need even that. I don't like this.

Also the living have forgotten the EW counts as an innocent for endgame maths?? Or are they intentionally trying to mislead their innocent colleagues?

[Thinlómien]

So doesn't Legate genuinely realise what dire straits the village is in (not the best time to communicate anything by the dead vote!) or is he as furry as Chewbacca?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

So doesn't Legate genuinely realise what dire straits the village is in (not the best time to communicate anything by the dead vote!) or is he as furry as Chewbacca?

Legate, the entire game, has not seemed like his innocent self.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also the living have forgotten the EW counts as an innocent for endgame maths?? Or are they intentionally trying to mislead their innocent colleagues?

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.

Also note, that killing the Good Wizard is not a win condition for the Baddie side. Their win condition is to reduce the Goodies down to an equal or lower number than themselves.

The Good win condition is to eliminate all the Baddies, including the Evil Wizard.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.

For some reason I was really certain I read somewhere he doesn't, but I'm glad it's me being confused not the whole living village apparently.

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

And I don't like how quiet the living thread is.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

It has been quite an interesting chess match, let me tell you.

[Nogrod]

The Living, on this Day.

Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Brinniel

=8

It can't be 4-4 because in that case the game would have ended when I died.

So it's either 5-3 (innocents vs. evil) or better.

5-3 would mean the EW has not succeeded - or tried - to turn herself a wolf on two of the Nights, or then that one or two of the wolves have been killed during the Night (isn't that impossible if there was no double-death during the Night aka. the Hunter involved?). I think the rules should be checked - and the odd "sound-effects" in the Nightly narrations might have something to do with all this?

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.

Yes, hear hear. Empowering a vote for someone we think is evil is more important today than communicating Boro's innocence, and I hope the living will realise that too and stop waving Legate's voting scheme around.

On that note, who do y'all suspect?

Also, like Nogrod, I shouldn't stay up until 3am today (I have work tomorrow morning) but I'll be around as long as I happen to be... I mean I'm a notorious night owl who doesn't agree with morning shifts anyway so I'll probably be here atleast two maybe one hour before the deadline.


edit: xed with Kuru

[Nogrod]

Okay. The good news:

Originally Posted by Teh Rulez

The Ranger can protect players from being killed or turned during the NIGHT phase.

Also:

Originally Posted by Dem Rulsz

If the Good Wizard and Evil Wizard target the same person, nothing happens.

Then there is this...

Originally Posted by The Rules

On NIGHTS when a wolf is not created the Evil Wizard may scry the role of a target in quest of finding the Good Wizard.

And also this.

Originally Posted by De Rulz

If the Evil Wizard scrys or attempts to convert the Good Wizard, the Evil Wizard is informed of the identity of the Good Wizard. This opens the door for the Evil Wizard to challenge the Good Wizard.

If the Evil Wizard picks a Gifted for converting into a wolf that pick is deterred but the Evil Wizard still keeps that pick for future use.

So, after five Nights in the EW only has max. two wolves. So even if the situation is quite good for her, she must be annoyed.

She did turn someone into a wolf succesfully on N1 because otherwise Morsul would not have died on N2 - that I think we managed to establish already in the Living Thread.

So after that she has either missed or knowingly refrained from turning someone a wolf three Nights out of Four! Well, that is interesting!