Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Dead Thread

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also the living have forgotten the EW counts as an innocent for endgame maths?? Or are they intentionally trying to mislead their innocent colleagues?

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.

Also note, that killing the Good Wizard is not a win condition for the Baddie side. Their win condition is to reduce the Goodies down to an equal or lower number than themselves.

The Good win condition is to eliminate all the Baddies, including the Evil Wizard.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I guess it has been a bit ambiguously stated, but the Evil Wizard counts in the Baddie column as far as tabulating the win.

For some reason I was really certain I read somewhere he doesn't, but I'm glad it's me being confused not the whole living village apparently.

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

And I don't like how quiet the living thread is.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Makes me wonder though what the hell is really going on under the surface of this game.

It has been quite an interesting chess match, let me tell you.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

It has been quite an interesting chess match, let me tell you.

That sounds like vaguely good news for us poor dead ordos...

...not that I still don't have that bad feeling about this whole game.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim, on the living thread

I am operating under the assumption that Boro was a wolf

*headdesks*

Why Eomer why?

*grumblegrumblewhycan'tthelivingdoanythingright*

It's worse because Eomer is one of the few people I'm fairly sure is innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Okay I'll start:

I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate

I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer

I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë


edit: xed with nogz

[Thinlómien]

I guess it's also possible Legate is the good wizard. I mean that would also explain him taking so many things for granted and keeping his attention to a limited number of villagers.

Hmmm.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay I'll start:
I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate
I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer
I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë

I agree with Nerwen, possibly with Legate as well (need to check and think). I'm afraid Eönwe could be evil as well, but yes, need to think about that as well.

But the fact that I too feel like not being just quite ready to help lynch Brinn or Lalaith just shows how scary they should be in all our eyes. They are perfect EW-picks - ones I'd pick as my wolves if I were the EW just because of this situation we're in with them.

But yes, I'm not even close to having a decent argument in any direction - but suspecting Nerwen heavily...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay I'll start:

I would like to empower a vote for - Nerwen, Legate

I wouldn't like to empower a vote for - Shasta, Sally, Eomer

I still need to decide about - Lalaith, Brinniel, Eönwë


edit: xed with nogz

Why would you want to empower Legate? From Legate's own list (that Lalaith has agreed to) by empowering Legate that will send the message that I'm a wolf. Which is as you know, flat out false. Why are you trying to send a false message?

I said I don't think it's important to base empowering a vote off of relaying info about my identity, but that doesn't mean we should empower anyone from the list of sending the wrong message.

So, I would if we empower anyone, let's keep it to either "Boro's a prey" list or "none of the above." Not that I'm thrilled about the folks on Legate's Prey list either, but it's bad to suggest we send faulty information.

[Nogrod]

The Living, on this Day.

Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Eönwë
Brinniel

=8

It can't be 4-4 because in that case the game would have ended when I died.

So it's either 5-3 (innocents vs. evil) or better.

5-3 would mean the EW has not succeeded - or tried - to turn herself a wolf on two of the Nights, or then that one or two of the wolves have been killed during the Night (isn't that impossible if there was no double-death during the Night aka. the Hunter involved?). I think the rules should be checked - and the odd "sound-effects" in the Nightly narrations might have something to do with all this?

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As I don't believe it is any better than 5-3, the village better not lynch an innocent toDay - and if we can, we should try to help prevent that.

That said, I'm not going to be able to hang around up to the DL as I need to wake up really early toMorrow - and the DL really is 3AM. So sorry, but I can't help in the DL action toDay.

Yes, hear hear. Empowering a vote for someone we think is evil is more important today than communicating Boro's innocence, and I hope the living will realise that too and stop waving Legate's voting scheme around.

On that note, who do y'all suspect?

Also, like Nogrod, I shouldn't stay up until 3am today (I have work tomorrow morning) but I'll be around as long as I happen to be... I mean I'm a notorious night owl who doesn't agree with morning shifts anyway so I'll probably be here atleast two maybe one hour before the deadline.


edit: xed with Kuru

[Nogrod]

Okay. The good news:

Originally Posted by Teh Rulez

The Ranger can protect players from being killed or turned during the NIGHT phase.

Also:

Originally Posted by Dem Rulsz

If the Good Wizard and Evil Wizard target the same person, nothing happens.

Then there is this...

Originally Posted by The Rules

On NIGHTS when a wolf is not created the Evil Wizard may scry the role of a target in quest of finding the Good Wizard.

And also this.

Originally Posted by De Rulz

If the Evil Wizard scrys or attempts to convert the Good Wizard, the Evil Wizard is informed of the identity of the Good Wizard. This opens the door for the Evil Wizard to challenge the Good Wizard.

If the Evil Wizard picks a Gifted for converting into a wolf that pick is deterred but the Evil Wizard still keeps that pick for future use.

So, after five Nights in the EW only has max. two wolves. So even if the situation is quite good for her, she must be annoyed.

She did turn someone into a wolf succesfully on N1 because otherwise Morsul would not have died on N2 - that I think we managed to establish already in the Living Thread.

So after that she has either missed or knowingly refrained from turning someone a wolf three Nights out of Four! Well, that is interesting!