General changes in TftE - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ArcusCalion · 09-08-2017, 04:47 PM

I have two questions about general changes:

1. Is it Anfauglith or Dor-nu-Fauglith for the land formerly known as Ard-galen?

2. Is it Haudh-en-Ndengin or Haudh-en-Nirnaeth for the Hill of the Slain? if the latter, where is the source on that?

Findegil · 09-09-2017, 05:43 PM

Dor-nu-Fauglith and Anfauglith: Up to now I thought that both are valid. But we might have to prove that up. But I am far away from my books.

Haudh-en-Nirnaeth was used in both the late Tuor and his coming to Gondolin and in the Narn.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 09-13-2017, 10:24 PM

Quick question. Is it Eledhwen or Edhelwen? The published Sil has Eledhwen, but the Wanderings of Hurin seems to have Edhelwen.

Findegil · 09-15-2017, 10:59 AM

Edhelwen/Eledhwen: The Index to [HoMe XI sayes:

Quote:

Edhelwen Name of Morwen. 142, ... , 296. Earlier form Eledhwen 51, ... ,230, translated Elfsheen 51, ... , 79

That means it is Edhelwen.

I also looked up the Anfauglith/Dor-nu-Fauglith case: So it seems that for a time both were used in paralle, but at the end Anfauglith became the sole name. as the Index to HoMe XI sayes:

Quote:

Dor-na-Fauglith Earlier Name of Anfauglith ...

So yes we have to change it. In some place it is used in the aliteration. In this cases I used 'dry Anfauglith'.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 10-26-2017, 11:12 AM

I have a comment about the change Kalakiryan -> Calacirya

In "the Road Goes Ever On" Tolkien glosses "Calaciryan, Calaciryandë as "the region of Eldamar (Elvenhome) in and near the entrance to the ravine, where the Light was brighter and the land more beautiful" It is theorized that -yandë is a Quenya suffix meaning "place of" or "land" which is rarely used, as it appears only in words like Valariandë and Ossiriandë. In the Sindarin, however, it is more common as -ian or -ien, and appears in many place names. Thus, the term: Calaciryan would appear to be a valid term in the final understanding, in reference to the land around the Calacirya. Should this be changed in our texts to reflect this?

Findegil · 10-26-2017, 05:39 PM

I would say yes if the reference is to the land around and not to the ravine.

Respectfully
Findegil

Aiwendil · 10-26-2017, 07:58 PM

Ah, so Calaciryan (or the long form Calaciryande) is the surrounding land, while the Calacirya is the pass itself. That seems to make sense.

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09-08-2017, 04:47 PM	#1
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	I have two questions about general changes: 1. Is it Anfauglith or Dor-nu-Fauglith for the land formerly known as Ard-galen? 2. Is it Haudh-en-Ndengin or Haudh-en-Nirnaeth for the Hill of the Slain? if the latter, where is the source on that?

09-09-2017, 05:43 PM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Dor-nu-Fauglith and Anfauglith: Up to now I thought that both are valid. But we might have to prove that up. But I am far away from my books. Haudh-en-Nirnaeth was used in both the late Tuor and his coming to Gondolin and in the Narn. Respectfully Findegil

09-13-2017, 10:24 PM	#3
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	Quick question. Is it Eledhwen or Edhelwen? The published Sil has Eledhwen, but the Wanderings of Hurin seems to have Edhelwen.

10-26-2017, 11:12 AM	#5
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	I have a comment about the change Kalakiryan -> Calacirya In "the Road Goes Ever On" Tolkien glosses "Calaciryan, Calaciryandë as "the region of Eldamar (Elvenhome) in and near the entrance to the ravine, where the Light was brighter and the land more beautiful" It is theorized that -yandë is a Quenya suffix meaning "place of" or "land" which is rarely used, as it appears only in words like Valariandë and Ossiriandë. In the Sindarin, however, it is more common as -ian or -ien, and appears in many place names. Thus, the term: Calaciryan would appear to be a valid term in the final understanding, in reference to the land around the Calacirya. Should this be changed in our texts to reflect this?

10-26-2017, 05:39 PM	#6
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I would say yes if the reference is to the land around and not to the ravine. Respectfully Findegil

10-26-2017, 07:58 PM	#7
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	Ah, so Calaciryan (or the long form Calaciryande) is the surrounding land, while the Calacirya is the pass itself. That seems to make sense.