The Void

[Rhun charioteer]

I always imagined Melkor the same striding around an infinite black nothingness looking for a fire he could not find. It's easier to imagine that than it is to imagine it metaphysically.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Rhun charioteer

I always imagined Melkor the same striding around an infinite black nothingness looking for a fire he could not find. It's easier to imagine that than it is to imagine it metaphysically.

Which is kind of the point, right?

[Zigûr]

It might also be worth pointing out that it's unclear which "Void" Morgoth was cast into at the end of the First Age.

We read that he was then thrust out into the Void. That should mean that he was put outside Time and Space, outside Eä altogether; but if that were so this would imply a direct intervention of Eru (with or without supplication of the Valar). It may however refer inaccurately to the extrusion or flight of his spirit from Arda. (Myths Transformed)

Professor Tolkien doesn't actually resolve this dichotomy within the text.

Ainuldinalë also implies that the Void has spatial dimensions:

it seemed to him that Ilúvatar took no thought for the Void, and he was impatient of its emptiness

This could be metaphorical, however, and it is possible that what Melkor saw as "emptiness" was in fact pure "nothingness"; in this sense Melkor misunderstands what the Void is, which might correlate with why he sought the Flame Imperishable there. Perhaps Melkor's fëa could "explore" the Void in the same way that the mind can think about nothingness - his fëa went somewhere and searched, but in a spiritual sense rather than a physical one.

I really think that to a degree the Void is beyond human comprehension...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Zigûr

I really think that to a degree the Void is beyond human comprehension...

As it should be.

Men were creatures of Eä. The Void, whether a physical or spiritual realm, would seem to be not of the material universe, as it was a negative of 'the World That Is'. As the mortal cannot comprehend the eternal, the 'real' lacks a capacity to understand the 'unreal'. Lunchtime philosophy 101.

[Rhun charioteer]

On a related cosmological note are there other worlds in Ea?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rhun charioteer

On a related cosmological note are there other worlds in Ea?

Possibly, I would say. Why would Eru be in any way limited in creative power? But if those other world existed, none but their Creator could know.

[Faramir Jones]

That was a good question you asked, Rhun charioteer, about whether there are other worlds in Eä. I agree with you, Inziladun, that only Eru would know...