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Nerwen · 06-11-2019, 06:12 AM

Nothing, and a jewel incomplete;
To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed;
Long treasured, long drowned,
For a jewel my jewel was found.

Huinesoron · 06-11-2019, 06:35 AM

Hmm. 'Long drowned', of a jewel, makes me think of the original Elendilmir, which went into the river with Isildur. It was found by Saruman looking for the Ring, so 'for a jewel [it] was found' would fit.

'Long treasured' also fits: it was an heirloom of Andunie since Silmarien. 'To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed' says the speaker must be one of its bearers before its loss: Silmarien, Valandil, Earendur, Amandil, Elendil, or Isildur.

So 'Nothing, and a jewel incomplete' sounds like a cryptic/spell-it-out line. SILMARIEN? Her name is mostly an incomplete Silmaril, with just 'en/ne' left over as 'nothing'.

hS

Nerwen · 06-11-2019, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Hmm. 'Long drowned', of a jewel, makes me think of the original Elendilmir, which went into the river with Isildur. It was found by Saruman looking for the Ring, so 'for a jewel [it] was found' would fit.

'Long treasured' also fits: it was an heirloom of Andunie since Silmarien. 'To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed' says the speaker must be one of its bearers before its loss: Silmarien, Valandil, Earendur, Amandil, Elendil, or Isildur.

So 'Nothing, and a jewel incomplete' sounds like a cryptic/spell-it-out line. SILMARIEN? Her name is mostly an incomplete Silmaril, with just 'en/ne' left over as 'nothing'.

hS

You've got it!

However, by "for a jewel my jewel was found" I meant, "to be worn by Elessar" and I was think of the last part of Silmarien's name being "rien" (i.e. "nothing" in French).

Over to you!

Huinesoron · 06-11-2019, 07:55 AM

Ohhh yeah, Elessar. Forgot about him in my haste to rush to Saruman. ^_^

Under shadow, under earth,
By foul magics hid from sight.
To the deepest place I venture,
And its denizen bring to light.

hS

Urwen · 06-11-2019, 08:27 AM

Makes me think of Aredhel, who forced Eol to follow her&her protector to 'light'.

Huinesoron · 06-11-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Makes me think of Aredhel, who forced Eol to follow her&her protector to 'light'.

That's a nice answer. In this case, however, the bringing to light is entirely intentional.

hS

Pervinca Took · 06-11-2019, 08:33 AM

Sounds like Jean Valjean hunting for Cosette, (without the magic), but I have a feeling that isn't the answer.

06-11-2019, 06:12 AM	#1
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Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Makes me think of Aredhel, who forced Eol to follow her&her protector to 'light'. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

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06-11-2019, 06:35 AM	#2
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,961	Hmm. 'Long drowned', of a jewel, makes me think of the original Elendilmir, which went into the river with Isildur. It was found by Saruman looking for the Ring, so 'for a jewel [it] was found' would fit. 'Long treasured' also fits: it was an heirloom of Andunie since Silmarien. 'To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed' says the speaker must be one of its bearers before its loss: Silmarien, Valandil, Earendur, Amandil, Elendil, or Isildur. So 'Nothing, and a jewel incomplete' sounds like a cryptic/spell-it-out line. SILMARIEN? Her name is mostly an incomplete Silmaril, with just 'en/ne' left over as 'nothing'. hS

06-11-2019, 07:55 AM	#4
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,961	Ohhh yeah, Elessar. Forgot about him in my haste to rush to Saruman. ^_^ Under shadow, under earth, By foul magics hid from sight. To the deepest place I venture, And its denizen bring to light. hS