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Pervinca Took · 06-14-2019, 04:20 AM

OK. I am using the answers and password from my last password puzzle, for which I am not willing to give away the theme until at least a couple of people have had a go at guessing.

With one caveat, which I will defend, I believe these are the only known characters to whom this applies. It's something that I would say is rarer in Tolkien's works than it is in 'real life.' There could have been many other cases, but if there were, Tolkien did not report them.

Aragorn
Luthien
Idril
Niniel
Finwe
Turin

EDIT: If, once the theme is guessed, anyone can cite any further examples, I will add them with my apologies.

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:27 AM

Is it some kind of physical characteristic?

Pervinca Took · 06-14-2019, 04:28 AM

Yes, they all had a sixth finger, like Anne Boleyn.

Only kidding.

No.

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:33 AM

I am drawing a blank here. :|

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:34 AM

They all had magical powahs?

Pervinca Took · 06-14-2019, 04:37 AM

Well ....

When you thought the password was couples, you were wrong, but you were closer, thematically, than the above two answers are.

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:38 AM

People who married golden-haired people?

Huinesoron · 06-14-2019, 04:40 AM

Hmm.

It can't be to do with their children: Turin and Nienor never had any. It can't be their parents, because Finwe never had any (named). It can't be anything to do with their deaths, because Idril never did.

Is it something to do with them all having two suitors (of varying degrees)? Aragorn has Arwen and Eowyn, Luthien had Daeron and Beren, Idril had Tuor and some elf who just doesn't get mentioned enough for me to remember his name (

), Niniel had Turin and Brandir, Turin... well, he was one of Finduilas' suitors, but also I guess Finduilas & Niniel. And Finwe had Miriel and Indis.

But those last two kind of break it: while the other four had one they rejected and one they married, Finwe was married to both of them, and Turin didn't know both at the same time.

If it is this, is your caveat Tar-Miriel? (Or Tar-Ancalime, who was a total fairytale princess when it comes to rejecting suitors.)

hS

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

some elf who just doesn't get mentioned enough for me to remember his name (

)
hS

How could you do this to me?

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 04:42 AM

Also, new password is up.

Pervinca Took · 06-14-2019, 04:58 AM

Huinesoron has the answer, more or less.

They were all loved (romantically) by two people, not just one.

Not that common a thing in Tolkien. Only one of his characters even remarries, as far as I am aware.

CAVEATS:

I am not counting Finduilas. *She* loved Gwindor, then Turin, but I believe Turin only felt brotherly affection for *her*. (Don't shudder at this. He was blameless when it came to Niniel, unless you count not accepting 'No' the first time and ignoring Brandir's advice (IIRC)).

I include Idril, because my gut feeling is that Maeglin did love her. I have a friend whose parents were first cousins. I'm not saying it's a good idea for such a thing to happen often. It isn't. But I am not grossed out by the idea of it happening occasionally.

I exclude Eowyn, because I would definitely *not* dignify Grima's urges with the name of love.

Ditto others who lusted after Luthien. Only 2 are presented as loving her.

Are there any I have missed?

I thought at first I was going to have to use Edith as an answer to have enough for a password (she had got engaged to another man by the time Tolkien was 21, but broke it off when Tolkien got back in touch with her and declared his feelings unchanged).

EDIT: Do I have to include Ancalime? Was she *loved* by two or more men?

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 05:09 AM

Would you like to try the password now, Pervinca?

Urwen · 06-14-2019, 05:10 AM

Also, which two people loved Turin?

06-14-2019, 04:20 AM	#1
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	OK. I am using the answers and password from my last password puzzle, for which I am not willing to give away the theme until at least a couple of people have had a go at guessing. With one caveat, which I will defend, I believe these are the only known characters to whom this applies. It's something that I would say is rarer in Tolkien's works than it is in 'real life.' There could have been many other cases, but if there were, Tolkien did not report them. Aragorn Luthien Idril Niniel Finwe Turin EDIT: If, once the theme is guessed, anyone can cite any further examples, I will add them with my apologies. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 06-14-2019 at 04:32 AM.

06-14-2019, 04:27 AM	#2
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Is it some kind of physical characteristic? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 04:28 AM	#3
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Yes, they all had a sixth finger, like Anne Boleyn. Only kidding. No. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-14-2019, 04:33 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I am drawing a blank here. :\| __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 04:34 AM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	They all had magical powahs? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 04:37 AM	#6
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Well .... When you thought the password was couples, you were wrong, but you were closer, thematically, than the above two answers are. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-14-2019, 04:38 AM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	People who married golden-haired people? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 04:40 AM	#8
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,957	Hmm. It can't be to do with their children: Turin and Nienor never had any. It can't be their parents, because Finwe never had any (named). It can't be anything to do with their deaths, because Idril never did. Is it something to do with them all having two suitors (of varying degrees)? Aragorn has Arwen and Eowyn, Luthien had Daeron and Beren, Idril had Tuor and some elf who just doesn't get mentioned enough for me to remember his name (), Niniel had Turin and Brandir, Turin... well, he was one of Finduilas' suitors, but also I guess Finduilas & Niniel. And Finwe had Miriel and Indis. But those last two kind of break it: while the other four had one they rejected and one they married, Finwe was married to both of them, and Turin didn't know both at the same time. If it is this, is your caveat Tar-Miriel? (Or Tar-Ancalime, who was a total fairytale princess when it comes to rejecting suitors.) hS

06-14-2019, 04:42 AM	#10
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Also, new password is up. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 04:58 AM	#11
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Huinesoron has the answer, more or less. They were all loved (romantically) by two people, not just one. Not that common a thing in Tolkien. Only one of his characters even remarries, as far as I am aware. CAVEATS: I am not counting Finduilas. She loved Gwindor, then Turin, but I believe Turin only felt brotherly affection for her. (Don't shudder at this. He was blameless when it came to Niniel, unless you count not accepting 'No' the first time and ignoring Brandir's advice (IIRC)). I include Idril, because my gut feeling is that Maeglin did love her. I have a friend whose parents were first cousins. I'm not saying it's a good idea for such a thing to happen often. It isn't. But I am not grossed out by the idea of it happening occasionally. I exclude Eowyn, because I would definitely not dignify Grima's urges with the name of love. Ditto others who lusted after Luthien. Only 2 are presented as loving her. Are there any I have missed? I thought at first I was going to have to use Edith as an answer to have enough for a password (she had got engaged to another man by the time Tolkien was 21, but broke it off when Tolkien got back in touch with her and declared his feelings unchanged). EDIT: Do I have to include Ancalime? Was she loved by two or more men? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 06-14-2019 at 05:13 AM.

06-14-2019, 05:09 AM	#12
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Would you like to try the password now, Pervinca? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-14-2019, 05:10 AM	#13
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Also, which two people loved Turin? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

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