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Urwen · 07-25-2019, 09:41 AM

Thingol?

Pervinca Took · 07-25-2019, 10:22 AM

Or maybe the very first elf to awaken, who is never heard of again?

Imin, was it?

Galadriel55 · 07-25-2019, 09:29 PM

Neither one, but both are on the right track.

Urwen · 07-26-2019, 02:52 AM

First among elves, or men? Or even Maiar?

Melian?

Urwen · 07-26-2019, 03:09 AM

Ingwe? He was the first among the Minyar, he travelled to Valinor alongside Orome, and returned to convince their people to go to Valinor. Then he returned to Valinor and never left it again. As a result, he missed all the mayhem happening in ME, and when War of Wrath came around, he presumably passed the leadership of elven armies to Finarfin, and thus missed the great revenge against Morgoth.

Huinesoron · 07-26-2019, 03:37 AM

Or Finwe?

I feel like the first stanza points to either Ingwe or Finwe, who travelled to Valinor and back, then went again (unlike Elwe), and stayed there.

The bulk of stanza 2 applies to both of them, assuming the 'backwards trip' is the Return. But who missed the 'slaughter cruel'? Is that Ingwe, who missed the Kinslaying by virtue of, y'know, not being anywhere near it - or Finwe, who missed it only by being the first to die?

Then there's the third stanza, which uses the same 'there' that previously applied to Valinor. It could be that it's now referring to Middle-earth, and therefore means Ingwe, who let the Vanyar go to war without him. But it could also refer to Finwe, who gave up his chance to return to life in Valinor ('there') in favour of Miriel.

But 'the first among the first' means it's probably Ingwe; I just wanted to get my own guess in as well.

hS

Galadriel55 · 07-26-2019, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Ingwe? He was the first among the Minyar, he travelled to Valinor alongside Orome, and returned to convince their people to go to Valinor. Then he returned to Valinor and never left it again. As a result, he missed all the mayhem happening in ME, and when War of Wrath came around, he presumably passed the leadership of elven armies to Finarfin, and thus missed the great revenge against Morgoth.

That is so, perfectly explained. And proves once again that goody-two-shoes make boring characters.

Over to you.

Urwen · 07-26-2019, 10:50 AM

Inspired by the last one.....

I am but one
Yet my line still lingers on
Overshado'ed by my own
And in the end, my line had won

I left it all behind
And I did it all for love
'twas why I gave my life
To protect this treasure trove

Do you remember me?
I left the tale early on
And yet, without me
There would be no tale to be told

Urwen · 07-26-2019, 11:23 AM

I knew it. I knew that no one would try to solve my riddle...

07-25-2019, 09:41 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Thingol? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-25-2019, 10:22 AM	#2
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Or maybe the very first elf to awaken, who is never heard of again? Imin, was it? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-25-2019, 09:29 PM	#3
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	Neither one, but both are on the right track. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

07-26-2019, 02:52 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	First among elves, or men? Or even Maiar? Melian? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-26-2019, 03:09 AM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Ingwe? He was the first among the Minyar, he travelled to Valinor alongside Orome, and returned to convince their people to go to Valinor. Then he returned to Valinor and never left it again. As a result, he missed all the mayhem happening in ME, and when War of Wrath came around, he presumably passed the leadership of elven armies to Finarfin, and thus missed the great revenge against Morgoth. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 07-26-2019 at 03:12 AM.

07-26-2019, 03:37 AM	#6
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,957	Or Finwe? I feel like the first stanza points to either Ingwe or Finwe, who travelled to Valinor and back, then went again (unlike Elwe), and stayed there. The bulk of stanza 2 applies to both of them, assuming the 'backwards trip' is the Return. But who missed the 'slaughter cruel'? Is that Ingwe, who missed the Kinslaying by virtue of, y'know, not being anywhere near it - or Finwe, who missed it only by being the first to die? Then there's the third stanza, which uses the same 'there' that previously applied to Valinor. It could be that it's now referring to Middle-earth, and therefore means Ingwe, who let the Vanyar go to war without him. But it could also refer to Finwe, who gave up his chance to return to life in Valinor ('there') in favour of Miriel. But 'the first among the first' means it's probably Ingwe; I just wanted to get my own guess in as well. hS

07-26-2019, 10:50 AM	#8
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Inspired by the last one..... I am but one Yet my line still lingers on Overshado'ed by my own And in the end, my line had won I left it all behind And I did it all for love 'twas why I gave my life To protect this treasure trove Do you remember me? I left the tale early on And yet, without me There would be no tale to be told __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

07-26-2019, 11:23 AM	#9
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I knew it. I knew that no one would try to solve my riddle... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

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