Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[satansaloser2005]

Quickly for Kath.

[QUOTE ]Original post here.[QUOTE ]Posting OP is quoting here.[/QUOTE ][/QUOTE ]


x'd with Shasta. Missed you too, babe.

[Kath]

Thanks sally! I'll try it out.

Urwen - two posts. One: checking in and some odd RP thing about Maeglin. Two: voting for G55 'because I am Morleg and I am spiteful'.

Seriously, am I not getting something here?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

... and now Pitch has voted for Brinn. So unless it looks like anyone else is voting Lommy, I will - probably in about 15 minutes - vote for Pitch (preferably) or G55 (if necessary), because I'm suspicious of both and don't trust the Brinn-wagon.

I would much rather vote for G55 or Pitch over Brinn. Let's try not to split the vote between them, though - I suspect they are both wolves, so I don't especially mind which one gets lynched, as I think either one will tell us a lot about the other.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would much rather vote for G55 or Pitch over Brinn. Let's try not to split the vote between them, though - I suspect they are both wolves, so I don't especially mind which one gets lynched, as I think either one will tell us a lot about the other.

I don't like the feel of the Brinnwagon. I'm always suspicious of sudden bandwagons.

[Loslote]

The more I think about it, the more I like Greenie's post about Mac's suspicion of Brinn. I don't think we have enough time to properly consider it and seriously vote for Mac toDay, but I definitely want to come back to it toMorrow.

[Kitanna]

I'm not going to lie, I cannot keep up today. I've been skimming, but in depth analysis is simply not going to happen before DL. Well at least not every post since my last one. Instead, I wanted to use the time I have to focus on people who seem to be popping up all over the place. This includes Brinn who didn't seem like she said much, but certainly was talked about a lot. Rikae and G55 because what was going on there? I'm going to start here hopefully move on to more. Fingers crossed I get something productive done before DL.

Brinn didn't say much in her first post. And really what stood out more was a joke post about her later "don't trust Greeks bearing gifts that G55 said. Which was just a joke post.
The only thing of even remote substance from Brinn's first post is

Originally Posted by Brinn

No, no, no, no, and no. The fact that this was ever brought up in a previous game seems insane! While there is always a risk of lynching an innocent, the Day is best shot at getting a wolf. If we don't lynch anyone they likely have one up on us by the following Day.

In response to G55's "cue discussion about a no-vote Day1!" comment. She comments seriously on something I read as another joke from G55. Nothing really nefarious to my eyes here.
Her next post is responding to a quarantine joke/banter post from Boro. In the same post she goes on about how planning just makes potential fodder for the next day.

Originally Posted by Brinn

True, true. Things never do seem to go according to plan around here. And then the ones who don't follow the plan become lynch fodder the next Day and more often than not turn out to be innocent.

Again, nothing really here. Maybe a wolf playing it safe and just sort of nodding and saying "yes, yes, this is true" while blowing smoke rings from her pipe. But really, after two posts, this doesn't scream "baddie."
Her next post is more of the same, agreeing with Mac on the discussion of deadline before deadline for a fake vote. And a question about quarantine.
The next post has more substance as far as establishing a trail of activity and not more "yes, yes, quite indeed" comments in response to others.

Originally Posted by Brinn

On Legate's post's about the fake votes...
Is it suspicious? Perhaps, but not necessarily. If he's evil, he's being rather bold, and if he's innocent, a wolf could use his posts to build a case against him. Then again, there could be no wolves involved and they are just quietly letting this play out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe there's only five remaining players who have not yet posted - which means odds are that there's at least 2-3 baddies hiding among the current posts. The problem I have with Day 1 is that without a track record from a previous Day, I tend see more people as innocent than guilty. Which I guess makes sense; after all, most of us are in fact innocent.

So, let's try this backwards...

So far I find Lommy to be the most genuine. She's only posted a few times early on, however, I do find her to be sensible and am agreeing with what she has to say.

THE Ka also seems level-headed to me and I'm leaning towards innocentish.

As for the other side of the scale, it's still too early for me to feel any strong suspicions, but based on hunch and posts I've seen, I am slightly more wary of: Inzil, Pitchwife, G55

Now time for sleep...it is far too late!

She sets up a scenario of a bold wolfLegate but also an innocent Legate having a case built against him. Reasonable, but she doesn't mention G55 or Pitch in this, which were the two most actively engaging about the fake vote. Legate didn't suggest the idea, though he ran with it, and I find it interesting Brinn didn't take into account the other major players when the drama first unfolded.
The next post is a mention of past experience, which eh. Nothing much there.

I think this next posts is where people started to question Brinn more.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I agree with this. I'm still a bit wary of G55 and Pitchwife (less so of the former), however I don't want to get caught in a trap. I think I will stay clear of this potential mess for toDay and focus elsewhere.

In her post about Legate she didn't mention anyone else by name in regards to the fake vote. Here she says still wary of G55 and Pitch which unless I missed something, she hadn't actually mentioned them at all prior. Not long after this Rikae says she would likely vote for Brinn if DL was right then.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Between the three of you that have been brought up, I found Pitchwife's posts to be most suspicious. However, I'm second-guessing myself because I'm starting to think he may just be easy cannon fodder for the wolves. I don't find Legate suspicious and reading your posts today, I'm less wary of you.

I honestly do not have time for full summary posts because I do actually have to work as I mentioned before. If I were to pick someone right now, I would say Inzil. I can't quite put my fingers on it, but I'd say it's mostly because he's one of the most frequent posters, yet I find him providing less of substance and just going with the flow. Easy way for a wolf to hide.

If I do have time I may take a look at those building a case against Pitchwife.

This looks suspicious to me. She never once mentioned Inzil and now he's her top suspect. But this all reads too clumsy for Brinn, to obviously trying to look guilty, almost. I'd say she's more likely a cobbler than a wolf at this point in the postings.
Rikae votes for Brinn some posts later.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, took a quick look back at some posts. Regarding the whole Legate/G55/Pitchwife bit, I find Kitanna's reactions most suspicious. She seems quick to point out that there is likely a wolf among the group.

Despite the fact she also ran with these suspicious and focused in on Legate, pot have you met my good friend, kettle?
Next post she's unconcerned with suspicions coming her way. Though she does view Rikae and G55's back and forth as likely two innocents than anything else.
Pitch also votes for Brinn
But Brinn hasn't been back. If she's a wolf, then she is a bold one indeed who is trying to pull off a gamble with her erratic posting/suspicions. I think if she's not just plain innocent, she's the cobbler. She doesn't cast herself in a good light and she does seem pressed for time, but as I said earlier in this post, she reads more clumsy than wolf. Brinn knows she's short on time based on her quotes that she does have work. So wolfBrinn could easily just float under the radar. Plenty of other people were making noise when she started to say things that were off. Honestly, Pitch looks more guilty to be for his vote than Brinn.

[Eönwë]

Ok, caught up to #212 now and probably can't hang around time-wise.

The fake vote discussion has mostly focused on G55, Legate, and Pitch. Now we've had people suspecting G55 and Legate, people suspecting Pitch for suspecting Legate, and I think Legate (correct me if I'm wrong) at one point suspecting those who suspected Pitch for suspecting him. For the moment, I'm inclined to believe that Legate and Pitch are innocent. I'm not sure about G55, especially given her recent argument with Rikae, but I'm not convinced it makes her guilty. The reason I'm bringing this whole thing up is not to rehash this, but actually to point out that Zil, Brinn, and Lommy were also around then and lightly interacted with the topic, but as far as I remember without really addressing the fact that suspicions were being flung around (at least until later). I wouldn't be surprised if one of them were a wolf just going with the flow.

I also think there's something interesting going on between Legate, Pitch, and Mac which warrants more observation, but while I feel like someone among them may be suspicious, I really can't tell who it is.

I also agree with those that have said Boro is acting weird, but there will be more time for him to incriminate himself if he is guilty, and he's not suspicious enough for me to vote for him without hearing what he has to say for himself.




As for who I'm going to vote for? Urwen. They have made 2 posts: 1 that doesn't really make sense, and one vote. No discussion or engagement with what is being discussed. This seems like either a wolf who doesn't want to make any comments that could come back to bite them, a cobbler who is just messing with us, or an innocent who is not helping the village and is voting out of spite (as claimed in their most recent vote-post). Based on this:

++ Urwen

[Nogrod]

Day1 - votes

Lhuna -> Lhuna
Rikae -> Brinniel
G55 -> Rikae
Boro -> Pitchwife
Urwen -> G55
Pitchwife -> Brinniel 2
Kath -> G55 2
Shasta -> Pitchwife 2
Kitanna -> Pitchwife 3
Inzil -> G55 3
Lottie -> G55 4
Greenie -> Macalaure
THE Ka -> Brinniel 3
Eönwë -> Urwen


8 votes (possibly) to come.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not incredibly comfortable with Greenie's or Eonwe's votes here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. So, here I have spent the last minutes debating who to vote for if it looks like Kitanna may not be a vote anyone would go for (even though with these numbers still possible), and considering whether voting Brinn would make sense, meanwhile anyway stuff started happen, but also among other things Kitanna posted her analyses. That made me think I might want to reserve my judgment. They looked kinda genuine (like would a Wolf bother with those? Unless exactly, she - even as Wolf - can't keep up with the thread and simply opts for the "safe thing").

Next - Brinn and all. Of the names that came up now, I'd vote for her the most, chiefly because her death could reveal a lot. There have been a number of people speaking about her whose posts may be REALLY interesting to look at in the light of her lynch, especially if she turned out to be Wolf. Namely, first and foremost among them at least as far as I am concerned, Greenie.

Also since other people I'm wary of seem to be kinda circling around not voting Brinn. Such as Eönwë.

Ok blueeeiiiaggh time's running out. Will check and try to make sense and vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, out of the options definitely, and for future knowledge

++Brinniel

[Pitchwife]

Eönwë voting Urwen - really?? Isn't that the most throwaway vote you could possibly make, especially when her two posts so far seem to indicate that she's totally out of her depth here?


Greenie on Mac is only slightly less throwaway, as there's actually been suspicion on him.

[Nogrod]

Same with the stuff showing...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Quickly for Kath.

x'd with Shasta. Missed you too, babe.

[Pitchwife]

Shasta re Eönwë/Greenie being Agreeable : That was supposed to be the beginning of a list of people I haven't been able to get an idea of yet (and yes, Greenie is in that category too, as is Zil, and Lhuna, and Lommy and Lalaith and I'm sure a few others), but there was too much going on to catch up on so I gave up and just put that out there.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Shasta re Eönwë/Greenie being Agreeable : That was supposed to be the beginning of a list of people I haven't been able to get an idea of yet (and yes, Greenie is in that category too, as is Zil, and Lhuna, and Lommy and Lalaith and I'm sure a few others), but there was too much going on to catch up on so I gave up and just put that out there.

This isn't not plausible, for the record, but I don't think I buy it wholesale - that wasn't the feeling I got from the comment you made and I'm not sure I agree with Inzil being in that group, either.

Requires more thought.